LTN Discussion

[Rockets]

I have always struggled with the position of many on the pro-LTN lobby about the use of EVs (which I hasten to add seems to have been adopted by the council - I suspect due to the lobbying influence exerted by some during OHS and LTN discussions with vested-interest groups).

If the objective really is to reduce emissions and pollution, as we are all led to believe it is, then EVs have to be part of the solution surely - for every diesel or petrol car removed (even if it is replaced by an EV) then that has to be an emissions-win surely? Not unless your objective is not to reduce emissions but to reduce the number of vehicles.

A bit like the lack of infrastructure investment to support modal shift the council seems very unwilling to try and make EV ownership more accessible to a broader number of people - a bit like cargo bike storage it seems you can only really own an EV if you have a driveway and somewhere to recharge your car.

It always seems alien to me how the council and Mayor laud their transition to EV for their vehicles yet do little to embrace and encourage private ownership of EVs.

[Bic Basher]

Again, this is what you get if we have a Labour or Tory council from the end of next weekend, both are as ideologically driven as the other on this issue.

I believe we have a Momentum run Labour group on the council currently and when you have Corbynomics in the mix, you're never going to get a realistic solution to this issue, to the point that even moderate Labour Cllrs are towing the party line in an attempt to keep their jobs after next week. (Alas the lack of LTN mentions on Labour election material)

Labour until 2018 were pretty decent in Southwark, keeping libraries and essential services going when the Tory gov cut funding to councils, but this has made them more ideologically driven than before which has led to this passive-aggressive warfare against people who are just trying to live.

[Bic Basher]

The VoteThemOut website is recommending either the Tories or Lib Dems depending on the ward.

However I think they're way off recommending the Tories in Village and Wood.

http://votethemoutmay22.org.uk/how-to-vote/

[Rockets]

Given Labour have abandoned any mention of the LTNs in the their campaign leaflets (certainly in my ward), seemingly pretending they don't exist.

I am not sure what the thinking is here - it actually looks very odd that they refuse to mention them when it is front and centre of every other party's campaigning and has been a huge part of Labour's term of office in our local wards and the biggest talking point. If they are re-elected does this mean they can't claim to have a mandate to roll more of them out?

Anyone have any guesses what their strategy is here - are they hoping people have forgotten about the LTNs or are they desperately trying to distance themselves from them? I am in the Village Ward so have only seen the local candidates' leaflets - is it the same in other wards?

[CPR Dave]

You would think Labour would be proud of the enormous success they claim to have achieved with the LTNs and should be shouting it from the roadside.

Strange they aren't eh?

[alice]

Let's see what is said tomorrow: Dulwich Hill hustings at ED community centre 7-9pm

[hammerman]

alice Wrote:

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> Let's see what is said tomorrow: Dulwich Hill

> hustings at ED community centre 7-9pm

Can you report on the findings of this meeting Alice? Wherever the ED community centre is?

[alice]

I mean that place on Darrel road.

[Pugwash]

The East Dulwich Community Centre is on Darrell Road. Next to the Dulwich Medical Centre - entrance is in Darrell Road. Still lost? Road runs between Crystal Palace Road and Hindmans, and between Upland and Underhill Roads.

[Bic Basher]

CPR Dave Wrote:

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> You would think Labour would be proud of the

> enormous success they claim to have achieved with

> the LTNs and should be shouting it from the

> roadside.

>

> Strange they aren't eh?

The only people on social media who are promoting the LTN in Dulwich are the radical cycling activists who seem to be doing the work for Southwark Labour who have gone quiet on the subject.

[Rockets]

Interesting to see the Lib Dem leaflet drop at our house today and them definitively say that they would work to remove the LTN measures in Dulwich Village - as one of their many pledges.

[first mate]

Only in DV?

[Rockets]

They reference removing the LTN measures "in Dulwich" but the leaflet is from the candidates for the Dulwich Village ward so the map is focussed on that ward only.

[Bic Basher]

I believe they have a specific leaflet for Dulwich wards and another for the rest of Southwark.

[heartblock]

https://www.southwarknews.co.uk/news/its-for-your-own-good-lambeth-councillor-battles-with-anti-ltn-crowd-at-herne-hill-hustings/

[Bic Basher]

I'm not surprised by the attitude of the Deputy Mayor for Lambeth. I remember when the hard left ran Lambeth Council in the ground.

[Mscrawthew]

James Mc Ash is doing the rounds in the Crawthew Grove area. He swears blind that people's opinions have not been ignored 🙄

[alice]

For some reason he was at Dulwich Hill hustings last night he operates like a party machine and keeps a straight face while repeating the script.

[Mscrawthew]

Yep, sounds just like my conversation with him this afternoon.

[first mate]

Well, his career in politics will be somewhat curtailed if he does not get in, so...

[Mscrawthew]

Fingers crossed it is then.

[Rockets]

He was part of a group of councillors in Signoria in Dulwich earlier today enjoying a hearty lunch talking very loudly about their strategic plans to use their "database" to target "weak" Labour voters to get out and vote.

Apparently, if they get exit polls in any given ward on polling day that shows they are struggling they will send groups of councillors/supporters to knock on doors of "weak" supporters within the ward to implore them to get out and vote.

[Bic Basher]

Rockets Wrote:

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> He was part of a group of councillors in Signoria

> in Dulwich earlier today enjoying a hearty lunch

> talking very loudly about their strategic plans to

> use their "database" to target "weak" Labour

> voters to get out and vote.

>

> Apparently, if they get exit polls in any given

> ward on polling day that shows they are struggling

> they will send groups of councillors/supporters to

> knock on doors of "weak" supporters within the

> ward to implore them to get out and vote.

It wouldn't be the first time they've done this as I remember one local election, I think it was either the 2014 and 2018 election when a knock on the door from EIGHT Labour activists at around 8pm on election day when there records didn't show we voted. We actually did on that day, but they will send round half a dozen activists on the evening of polling day.

[Administrator]

LTN!

[Rockets]

Ooops, sorry admin time for us to self police again....I can confirm they did talk about LTNs but I couldn't hear what they were saying... They were surveying numerous leaflets from opposition parties which mentioned LTNs!