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KidKruger Wrote:

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> While I would never want to restrict anyone's

> choices, I'm sitting indoors at pubs on lovely

> summer evenings, rather than choke outside. If I

> want a beer outside, tough.


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I think there's a very big difference between restricting somebody's choices where it doesn't directly affect anybody else (eg drugs or alcohol - though it could be argued that both those could sometimes indirectly affect other people) and restricting somebody's choices where it does directly affect other people (eg smoking).


I look back on my own selfish behaviour when I was a smoker (smoking in the cars of non-smokers, smoking in the office amongst non-smokers, smoking in a tent with a non-smoker etc) and frankly cringe.


Unless a pub has an outdoor area large enough to make separate provision for both smokers and non smokers, and where smoke won't drift into the non smoking area, then I think smoking outside should be banned completely.


And yes Jah Lush, of course non smokers die every day. That doesn't mean to say we should increase our risk of dying by having to inhale smoke just because we want to sit outside a pub in the sun.

Si Mangia does not allow smoking in their restaurant at all, whether outside or inside. Smoking in the outside area used to be allowed, but was subsequently banned, partly at least, I assume, because diners had to go through the outside area to get to the inside area.


I have sympathy with smokers having to go outside in freezing weather, but do wonder if the attitude of those with similar opinions to Jah Lush would change were the health of their own children, grandchildren or others close to them to suffer?

Smoking is a choice, subsequently it's best done in the company of others, preferably in a remote & designated area on Peckham Rye or at the foot of The White Cliffs of Dover


I'm up for the New York idea


Reclaim the outside space people

I never said it was. I just get very fed up with non-smokers constant whining. It's not like I sit around deliberately blowing smoke in people's faces. They've got the inside now they want the outside too. They won't be outside when it's cold, wet and windy but I and many others will be. And before you ask I'm no advocating bringing back smoking in pubs, restaurants and offices either.

Jah Lush Wrote:

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I just get very fed up with non-smokers constant whining. It's not like I sit around deliberately blowing smoke in people's faces. They've got the inside now they want the outside too.


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"Constant whining" ?? Where is this "constant" "whining"?


Non-smokers aren't putting smokers at risk of obvious health problems, Jah.


Smokers don't need to "deliberately" blow smoke in my face for me to get a lungful every time I sit near a smoker/smokers outside a pub or - worse - restaurant.


Why should I be forced to either sit inside in lovely weather, or else be unwillingly exposed to cancer-causing substances outside? Such exposure would be avoidable if there were clearly designated separate outside smoking areas.


If non-smokers wanted to join smokers in the smoking area, at least it would be their own choice.


Are you complaining also because the upstairs of buses isn't a thick blanket of smoke with people coughing their lungs up any more?

Sue wrote -

>

> Are you complaining also because the upstairs of

> buses isn't a thick blanket of smoke with people

> coughing their lungs up any more?


Obviously, you didn't take in the last line of my previous post did you.

"And before you ask I'm no advocating bringing back smoking in pubs, restaurants and offices either."


I'm not advocating the return to smoking in public places at all. I'm sure once this good weather finishes and we go back to cold wet and windy you won't be complaining when we have to pop out for a cough and a drag because you'll be back inside again and not drinking al-fresco.

Jah Lush Wrote:

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> Sue wrote -

> >

> > Are you complaining also because the upstairs

> of

> > buses isn't a thick blanket of smoke with

> people

> > coughing their lungs up any more?

>

> Obviously, you didn't take in the last line of my

> previous post did you.

> "And before you ask I'm no advocating bringing

> back smoking in pubs, restaurants and offices

> either."

>

> I'm not advocating the return to smoking in public

> places at all. I'm sure once this good weather

> finishes and we go back to cold wet and windy you

> won't be complaining when we have to pop out for a

> cough and a drag because you'll be back inside

> again and not drinking al-fresco.


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Apologies.


And the rest of my points?


Obviously I'm not wanting to eat or drink outside in the wet and cold. I'm talking about fine weather. But you can't have a policy or law which depends on the weather.

Some of my family and their friends are having considerable success using e-cigarettes (some for over a year). While this does not wean them off nicotine they have no tar and they only give off water vapour instead of nasty smoke. So help yourselves smokers and use an e-cigarette if you have no intention of giving up- it will help you and you can 'smoke' them inside or outside.

Interesting what uncleglen says actually.

For me it's just about the smell and what I'm able/unable to live with. If fags were odourless I'd spend more time outside pubs with friends who smoke. I have no issue with 'smokers' (live and let live etc.) and don't regard them as a different kind of people. It's not a personalised issue for me, just a comfort issue.


The comments about designated ares for smoking don't make sense to me, when the proposal is that they're adjacant to non-smoking areas (the smoke isn't clever, so it doesn't know where it should/not go). I used to drink in a Wetherspooons in Ilford, there was a non-smoking section in that bar (for eating I think), but so what, it was surrounded by an entire smoking pub !

Otta Wrote:

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> Ganapatti used to have a small garden which was

> nice. Rhey probably still do but Ive not been for

> yonks so don't want to promise.

>

> I think folk music should be banned in pubs, that

> seriously effects others around it.



You'd better not let Sue hear you saying that!

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