Bake off final

[Ted Max]

Let's get Ready to Tumble?

http://www.list.co.uk/article/55814-bbc-one-gets-ready-to-tumble/

[*Bob*]

Great news that 'Splash' is also returning - for a well-deserved second series.

Can't wait for the Curling-inspired Olympic spin-off, "Curling one Down", presented by Rob Curling.

[KidKruger]

"Let's get Ready to Tumble?"

Jeezuz !

*sticks telly in bin*

[Annette Curtain]

Is That Puppet Game Show coming back, i'd like to know ?

I'd be happy to give it another shot (preferably in the head)

*unlocks gun cabinet*

[giggirl]

Frances deserved to win. Very disappointing showstoppers from the other two. Excellent finale.

Guys - if you like baking then it's excellent TV. Most years I get invited to F1 and I decline because, for me it's like watching paint dry. Whatever floats your boat.

[a fish]

I agree on both counts. Bake-Off is good fun, F1 is a tedious waste of time that's even more boring than football.

[*Bob*]

Well said.

Me? I like monkeys. And tennis.

[Saila]

Fantastic article 'comment' from ruby in that guardian link - good for her!

[Loz]

"Oooh - came and look at the misogyny inherit in the system!!"

Well, she's got a future writing for the Guardian, anyway. They're always looking for writers who can misuse the m-word wherever possible.

[a fish]

Saila Wrote:

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> Fantastic article 'comment' from ruby in that

> guardian link - good for her!

Agreed. I watched every episode, and I never saw her trying any other strategy but baking stuff to the best of her ability. And as for her misusing the word 'misogyny' Loz, how do you suggest she use it properly?

[Loz]

Well, not mistaking it for the word 'sexist' for a start, if indeed that is actually necessary. So, to answer your question: not at all, in this case.

[a fish]

No, I think she used it perfectly; being called a whole variety of women hating words - t4rt, wh0re, sl4g, cnut, etal - smacks of misogyny, as does the accusation that she used feminine tears and flirted with Paul Hollywood to get further in the competition. The social media hatred of her was really quite astonishing, to be honest, and just about every anti-Ruby tweet that I saw - and I saw a good few - used language designed to denigrate her as a woman.

[giggirl]

I wasn't aware that there was social-media hatred of Ruby. I don't think she was at all manipulative. She worked really hard to get to the final and she's a talented baker and clever girl. I read the piece in The Guardian and I'm pleased that she defended herself from her attackers. As I said in an earlier post, I found all the self-depreciation rather draining and annoying, but that's just my opinion and it doesn't make me right.

[Loz]

a fish Wrote:

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> No, I think she used it perfectly; being called a whole variety of women hating words - t4rt, wh0re,

> sl4g, @#$%&, etal - smacks of misogyny, as does the accusation that she used feminine tears and

> flirted with Paul Hollywood to get further in the competition. The social media hatred of her was

> really quite astonishing, to be honest, and just about every anti-Ruby tweet that I saw - and I saw

> a good few - used language designed to denigrate her as a woman.

Still not misogynistic. Sexist comments, perhaps, but not misogyny.

Besides, how does it compare with just about every X-factor contestant... male or female? Or even anyone who ever went on ANY reality programme? How does it sit with comments about Ben Cohen on Strictly? Or Jeremy Clarkson? Or even the Boris article in the Guardian last week?

Loads of sexism - but not misogyny/misandry.

[maxxi]

Always had a bit of a problem with cooking shows as we can only judge by appearance not taste - a bit like being seduced by the 'serving suggestion' on a tin of spam.

Oh, and monkey tennis is more than possible as long as there are Partridgesque presenters like melansue excreting their arse-clenching (go with the metaphorical paradox) version of charm and bonhomie (and humour apparently) like over-promoted sixth form prefects... or is that sexist?

[a fish]

Loz Wrote:

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> a fish Wrote:

> --------------------------------------------------

> -----

> > No, I think she used it perfectly; being called

> a whole variety of women hating words - t4rt,

> wh0re,

> > sl4g, @#$%&, etal - smacks of misogyny, as does

> the accusation that she used feminine tears and

> > flirted with Paul Hollywood to get further in

> the competition. The social media hatred of her

> was

> > really quite astonishing, to be honest, and just

> about every anti-Ruby tweet that I saw - and I

> saw

> > a good few - used language designed to denigrate

> her as a woman.

>

> Still not misogynistic. Sexist comments, perhaps,

> but not misogyny.

>

> Besides, how does it compare with just about every

> X-factor contestant... male or female? Or even

> anyone who ever went on ANY reality programme? How

> does it sit with comments about Ben Cohen on

> Strictly? Or Jeremy Clarkson? Or even the Boris

> article in the Guardian last week?

>

> Loads of sexism - but not misogyny/misandry.

I don't know, I've never watched X-Factor, and I don't follow its Twitter feed. I do, however, watch GBBO, and I saw how much misogynist hatred was aimed at Ruby; misogynist, not sexist.

Here, check these definitions out:-

Misogyny - http://www.thefreedictionary.com/misogyny

Sexism - http://www.thefreedictionary.com/sexism

The language I saw about Ruby denigrated her as a woman, using the language of misogyny - the hatred of women - to do so. I can't cut and paste it to this place because of the swearing filters, but go have a look on Twitter, and be shocked at the depths to which some people will sink. As to abuse aimed at Clarkson, he's set himself up as a target, he's a public figure who delights in annoying people to the extent that he gets a lot of slagging off - nothing to do with misandry - whereas Ruby is a woman, a non celeb, who went on a learning curve reality show, and quite a gentle little show it is too, and had rape jokes made about her. Bit of a difference, eh?

[Tr?]

Twitter does not reflect society.

Thanks.

[red devil]

Not as a whole it doesn't, but it certainly reflects a part of it...

[a fish]

It may not reflect all of society ? nothing does ? but it does reflect ?a? society. I have a friend who?s currently getting an awful lot of cyber abuse, mostly misogynist, on twitter, FB and elsewhere, for the crime of being a woman with an opinion. She had Photoshops depicting her being raped sent to her email address, she?s had poems about her beheading posted, and many, many ?jokes? about her being violently raped and killed. Ruby?s abuse wasn?t quite as bad as that, but it was misogynist and violent, and whether or not it was posted by dickless little boys from the safety of their stinking bedrooms doesn?t matter, it was still misogynist abuse. Tell you what, pop onto twitter, and find a user called @RAPEHERNOW. Then come back and we?ll have a good old laugh about rape jokes.

[Loz]

a fish Wrote:

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> ... posted by dickless little boys from the safety of their stinking bedrooms

Yeah, see that language like that doesn't really help your argument, does it?

But, your definitions posted above are absolutely correct, your use of them not correct. 'Hatred of a woman' is not the same as 'hatred of women'. And that is pretty much the crux of my point.

[edcam]

Depressingly, most of the anti-Ruby feeling I noticed came from women.

[Tr?]

a fish, I trust your response was not directed at me?

[david_carnell]

Loz Wrote:

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> a fish Wrote:

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> > ... posted by dickless little boys from the

> safety of their stinking bedrooms

>

> Yeah, see that language like that doesn't really

> help your argument, does it?

>

> But, your definitions posted above are absolutely

> correct, your use of them not correct. 'Hatred of

> a woman' is not the same as 'hatred of women'. And

> that is pretty much the crux of my point.

I'm sorry Loz but while you are semantically correct you are wrong in your summation. These men who post these things do not just dislike one woman. They have issues with all women. I'm embarrassed to share a chromosone with them.

[Loz]

But semantics is exactly my point!

[Loz]

david_carnell Wrote:

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> I'm embarrassed to share a chromosone with them.

I'm fairly sure you have at least one chromosome in common with every human. And who you choose to share you chromosomes with is, frankly, your own business...!

But assuming you meant they are also male, I'm tempted to ask ... how do you know?