?285,000 of funding awarded to support cycling in Dulwich and Herne Hill

[Earl Aelfheah]

Start a program of works to install Lambeth Hangers on as many streets as possible. Would massively increase cycling.

[James Barber]

Hi rahrahrah,

Sadly Southwark Council has decided it doesnt want any cycle street clutter of the likes of cyclehoop products. REally frustrating as we had funding for such measures but were rejected!

Hi veralucia,

I understand ths townley Road/East Dulwich grove junction will have diagonal crossing points recognising those 'desire lines' as well a regular junction arms.

[ed_pete]

Does the ?285k include providing cycle storage facilities on the schools premises and if so is there room ? Most of the local state schools seem pretty tight on space.

Which schools in Dulwich and Herne Hill will benefit from the funds ? I'd be unhappy if public funds were being used to subsidise the private schools.

[mynamehere]

James Barber Wrote:

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> Hi rahrahrah,

> Sadly Southwark Council has decided it doesnt want

> any cycle street clutter of the likes of cyclehoop

> products. REally frustrating as we had funding for

> such measures but were rejected!

James make sure the decision to reject cycle "parking" is widely circulated. It's already impossible to find a proper lock up space when you are shopping.

[VeronicaSawyer]

Is this linked in anyway to the survey carried out by Dulwich Young Cyclists, that was promoted on a previous thread? The schools involved in that were:

- Alleyn's School (including Junior)

- Bessemer Grange Primary School

- The Charter School

- Dog Kennel Hill School

- Dulwich College (including Junior and DUCKS)

- Dulwich Hamlet Junior School

- Dulwich Infants School

- Dulwich Prep London

- Dulwich Wood Nursery

- Herne Hill School

- JAGS (including JAPS)

- Kingsdale Foundation School

- Langbourne Primary School

- Oakfield School

So most of the East Dulwich schools were not included.

As someone who cycles across the Townley Road/East Dulwich Grove junction on a daily basis, and sometimes with my children (aged 9 and 7), I would say that was one of the safer juctions to navigate. They should try Dunstans/Underhill or Townley/Lordship Lane.

[Earl Aelfheah]

That's a real shame regarding the Lambeth hangers - I believe the lack of secure, on-street parking for bikes really reduces take up. Most people either don't have the room to store their bike inside, don't have a garden / shed, or else can't be bothered carrying a bike through the house twice a day. It's interesting that cars aren't considered 'street clutter' despite the fact that one car takes up enough space for half a dozen bikes.

[Ron70]

rahrahrah Wrote:

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> That's a real shame regarding the Lambeth hangers

> - I believe the lack of secure, on-street parking

> for bikes really reduces take up. Most people

> either don't have the room to store their bike

> inside, don't have a garden / shed, or else can't

> be bothered carrying a bike through the house

> twice a day. It's interesting that cars aren't

> considered 'street clutter' despite the fact that

> one car takes up enough space for half a dozen

> bikes.

These "Lambeth Hangers" look like a great idea. Difficult to see why Southwark council would discount them as an option while spending ?285,000 on improving the cyclists lot?

Ron70

[Lou]

James - Is there anyone we can contact at Southwark council about cycle parking. I would love somewhere to keep a bike, and am sure many others would too.

Thanks

[ianr]

Some Southwark information about cycle parking here: http://www.southwark.gov.uk/info/200123/cycling/442/cycle_parking_and_security

[JackieO]

That's brilliant news about funding for the junction, I have complained to the council in the past about it being unsafe for cyclists, I'm really pleased to hear improvements are being made.

[ianr]

What are the actual current perceived hazards?

What are the "Cycling to School Partnership" and the "Schools Partnership", both mentioned in the above copy and in http://www.southwark.gov.uk/news/article/1449/285_000_of_funding_awarded_to_support_cycling_in_dulwich_and_herne_hill?

[BrandNewGuy]

JackieO Wrote:

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> That's brilliant news about funding for the

> junction, I have complained to the council in the

> past about it being unsafe for cyclists, I'm

> really pleased to hear improvements are being

> made.

It's just a shame they spent tens of thousands on redoing some of the crossings, the Townley Road / Calton Avenue junction and the junction's road surface not much more than a year ago. Joined-up thinking is only a dream when there's someone else's cash to be spent.

[edhistory]

Which contractor will be awarded the new contract?

John K

[Earl Aelfheah]

I emailed Southwark Council about the Lambeth Hangers. Apparently they have not discounted there installation in the Borough, but are infact looking at 300 possible locations as part of a pilot!

[ianr]

rahrahrah Wrote:

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> I emailed Southwark Council about the Lambeth Hangers. Apparently they have not discounted there

> installation in the Borough, but are in fact looking at 300 possible locations as part of a pilot!

Thanks very much for (1) your asking the council clearly (2) their quick response (3) relaying it here. Now we're all better informed. That's the way to do it.

I see btw that the Lambeth Bikehangars are a different animal from the cycle hoops, of which ISTR Southwark trialled a few several years ago.

[James Barber]

Cyclehoops http://www.cyclehoop.com/product/cyclehoops/cyclehoop-for-lamp-post/ are banned from Southwark street by council officials.

so amazed if officers now telling you people cycle hangars are acceptable - http://www.cyclehoop.com/product/bike-lockers/bike-hangar/

[ianr]

Re cyclehoops: I emailed the council in September 2010, after seeing the mentions in this thread, to ask how I could distinguish them on the interactive map. After a reminder, I got a reply in November 2010, from which:

We do indeed have some trial sites for this particular type of cycle

parking. A couple of sites that I am aware of are Union Street by the

Palestra building and Cathedral Street by Borough Market.

I believe that the interactive map has been removed from the website

pending an up to date audit of cycle parking across the borough.

I'm also aware that these stands have not proved to be very popular with

our engineers and our Streetscape Design Manager and so will most

probably not be used within the Borough in the future.

Please contact me should you require any further details.

[Earl Aelfheah]

The project is being managed by Phil Thompson at Southwark Council. Here is an excerpt from his email:

"...We have over 300 locations around the borough that we are currently looking at and from this number we will hope to install a small handful of hangers in order to gauge response from our residents. All being well, after this stage, we will be looking to install cycle hangers borough-wide..."

[mynamehere]

In my opinion as a cyclist first and aesthetically as well I just want loads, hundreds, of standing lock loops

http://www.cycle-shelters-direct2u.co.uk/sheffield-bike-loops.html

James Barber Wrote:

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> Cyclehoops

> http://www.cyclehoop.com/product/cyclehoops/cycleh

> oop-for-lamp-post/ are banned from Southwark

> street by council officials.

>

> so amazed if officers now telling you people cycle

> hangars are acceptable -

> http://www.cyclehoop.com/product/bike-lockers/bike

> -hangar/

[david_carnell]

James Barber Wrote:

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> Cyclehoops

> http://www.cyclehoop.com/product/cyclehoops/cycleh

> oop-for-lamp-post/ are banned from Southwark

> street by council officials.

>

Why on earth are they banned? You can retrofit to existing street furniture, don't need to dig up streets and look quite pleasing to the eye. They must be a cost saver?

[uncleglen]

I used to cycle- no more since coming a cropper in a rain water filled pot-hole in the dark.

[newtoedf]

Just to let you know that Southwark Cyclists are having a public meeting on Wednesday 12th Feb at 6.30pm at the Peckham Liberal Club to decide on a list of demands that they will try to get candidates to commit to ahead of the local elections. All are welcome.

[grabot]

I would be interested to know why this junction was chosen specifically. Is it based on statistics? I have cycled through it many times and with the traffic lights etc, it has always struck me as being safe. How does it compare with, for example, the junction of Barry Road and Underhill Road / Upland Road?

[alice]

the OP says 'decision to improve the East Dulwich Grove and Townley Road junction follows a feasibility study carried out earlier this year. Analysis showed the junction was potentially hazardous to the four schools located nearby.

other junctions, some mentioned above are 'actually' rather than 'potentially hazardous' and don't get a penny.

same old

[katgod]

bit concerned about removing the staggered junction - surely that makes it safer for pedestrians which is what most of the school traffic is.