Vote for North Cross Road Market

[Ron70]

Yet again, another thread which has turned into a slating of all things East Dulwich. I can not understand why people who seem to have nothing but contempt for this area live here?

Ron70

[*Bob*]

When they go; 'if' they go - then some fruit and veg on a stall on NXC would be welcome. Until that happens.. a small stretch of stalls should avoid duplicating stuff on offer from the shops it sets-up in front of.

I admit there's some pointless tat on the road, but there is also a meat van, chocolate fudge cake, a fish van, chocolate fudge cake, chocolate fudge cake - and some places that serve up something decent to grab and eat as you go past. And there's the chocolate fudge cake - which I recommend.

[Louisa]

I hate to do this, but im going to anyway. "Street food" - we are literally coming full circle (again). NC market is a couple of these vans selling fancy burgers and sausages, a few tat stalls, fish/meat and erm there we have it. A proper market offers choice, the whole point of a market is a variety of smells sights and sounds, it's a visual exploration. What we have on offer on North Cross is a very small start up market, and it seems to have been that way for some years now without any signs of expansion. Like everything in ED, it's a half hearted attempt. Why can't we go for it properly if we want a market, close the road off and invite local trades people to setup stalls along the whole road?

Louisa.

[lane lover]

Ron70 Wrote:

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> Yet again, another thread which has turned into a

> slating of all things East Dulwich. I can not

> understand why people who seem to have nothing but

> contempt for this area live here?

>

> Ron70

Agree. It seems there is an agenda to keep house prices down.

[Louisa]

Yes because we all want house prices to keep rising forcing more and more working class people out of the area right? This is how it all starts. Talking up an areas mediocre attributes, which in turn attract cash buyers looking for the next 'cool' place to live. In turn, the personality and charm of said area is lost, and only a small proportion of people can afford to live there.

Louisa.

[Sue]

Louisa Wrote:

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> What we have on offer

> on North Cross is a very small start up market,

> and it seems to have been that way for some years

> now without any signs of expansion. Like

> everything in ED, it's a half hearted attempt. Why

> can't we go for it properly if we want a market,

> close the road off and invite local trades people

> to setup stalls along the whole road?

xxxxxx

Yes, I don't understand this really, though I can see there would be difficulties for vehicles if the whole road was closed.

A while ago there was supposedly a push by the council to get more stalls into the NCR market, wasn't there, but it doesn't really seem to have expanded that much.

And if I recall some people who wanted stalls were not allowed them on the basis that "there is already a shop selling that in Lordship Lane" - yet there is a cheese stall, despite being a specialist cheese shop just round the corner. And a bread stall, despite there being many LL shops selling bread.

So how does the council decide who can have a stall and who can't?

Does anybody else remember that thread?

[*Bob*]

Louisa Wrote:

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> I hate to do this, but im going to anyway. "Street

> food" - we are literally coming full circle

> (again).

on

I remember - it was the thread where you made a complete fool of yourself insisting such 'street food' cost a tenner, despite the average prices of nearly all the stuff in NXR costing about ?4.50.

?4.50 - which, to put things into perspective Lou, is the same you pay to live your Pret dream.

There loads of room for 'better' on NXR, but - bottom line - if you arrive there before midday and can't find everything you need for a decent lunch, cooked dinner and piggy dessert all within a hundred yard stroll - then you're just not trying hard enough.

[DulwichFox]

One has to be aware that roads like Ulverscroft Rd have no 'Cut-throughs' in to Fellbrigg Rd or Crystal Pal. Rd

With residents cars parked on both sides, there is nowhere to turn around.

Same for NutField , Archdale and Lacon.

Closing North Cross up to Crystal Pal Rd is just not practical.

DulwichFox

[NewWave]

Louisa Wrote:

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> I hate to do this, but im going to anyway. "Street

> food" - we are literally coming full circle

> (again). NC market is a couple of these vans

> selling fancy burgers and sausages, a few tat

> stalls, fish/meat and erm there we have it. A

> proper market offers choice, the whole point of a

> market is a variety of smells sights and sounds,

> it's a visual exploration. What we have on offer

> on North Cross is a very small start up market,

> and it seems to have been that way for some years

> now without any signs of expansion. Like

> everything in ED, it's a half hearted attempt. Why

> can't we go for it properly if we want a market,

> close the road off and invite local trades people

> to setup stalls along the whole road?

>

> Louisa.

Yes agree...it would be wonderful if there was more of a mix of stalls, and like Portobello green is on Friday and Sunday 'casual' stalls consisting of goods local people want to shift or showcase. Also I feel the whole stretch of road should be utilised

[Ron70]

lane lover Wrote:

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> Ron70 Wrote:

> --------------------------------------------------

> -----

> > Yet again, another thread which has turned into

> a

> > slating of all things East Dulwich. I can not

> > understand why people who seem to have nothing

> but

> > contempt for this area live here?

> >

> > Ron70

>

> Agree. It seems there is an agenda to keep house

> prices down.

I'm not sure it's an agenda to keep house pricing down (if it is, it won't work) it's just slightly depressing that some people who (presumably) live in ED have nothing positive to say on this forum. If one of the stall holders has in some way "wronged" you then fair enough, however, if thats not the case, writing negative comments about the market in general, can have an adverse effect on people who are just trying to earn a living. If you don't like the market (I do) you don't have to go...

[edcam]

Ron70 Wrote:

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> >

> I'm not sure it's an agenda to keep house pricing

> down (if it is, it won't work) it's just slightly

> depressing that some people who (presumably) live

> in ED have nothing positive to say on this forum.

> If one of the stall holders has in some way

> "wronged" you then fair enough, however, if thats

> not the case, writing negative comments about the

> market in general, can have an adverse effect on

> people who are just trying to earn a living. If

> you don't like the market (I do) you don't have to

> go...

A curious assessment. What's wrong with expressing an opinion on the forum? Not too many people with any sense would take too much of it seriously. However, just because something's there doesn't mean everyone has to think it's amazing. NC Market has huge potential but the mix of stalls could be examined more closely and the market would improve vastly as a result. Some of the food stalls are good and there is room for good specialist food there once a week but the non-food stalls are largely pretty rubbish. Personally I'd like to see all the tat stalls gone and have it all as specialist food, kind of a mini Borough Market. I think that could do really well and make it more of a landmark/destination market.

[Ron70]

edcam Wrote:

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> Ron70 Wrote:

> --------------------------------------------------

> -----

> > >

> > I'm not sure it's an agenda to keep house

> pricing

> > down (if it is, it won't work) it's just

> slightly

> > depressing that some people who (presumably)

> live

> > in ED have nothing positive to say on this

> forum.

> > If one of the stall holders has in some way

> > "wronged" you then fair enough, however, if

> thats

> > not the case, writing negative comments about

> the

> > market in general, can have an adverse effect

> on

> > people who are just trying to earn a living. If

> > you don't like the market (I do) you don't have

> to

> > go...

>

>

> A curious assessment. What's wrong with

> expressing an opinion on the forum? Not too many

> people with any sense would take too much of it

> seriously. However, just because something's

> there doesn't mean everyone has to think it's

> amazing. NC Market has huge potential but the mix

> of stalls could be examined more closely and the

> market would improve vastly as a result. Some of

> the food stalls are good and there is room for

> good specialist food there once a week but the

> non-food stalls are largely pretty rubbish.

> Personally I'd like to see all the tat stalls gone

> and have it all as specialist food, kind of a mini

> Borough Market. I think that could do really well

> and make it more of a landmark/destination market.

I don't really want to get into an argument about this, however, I'm pretty sure I never said that there was anything wrong with posting a comment on this forum! Lots of people post on here knowing full well that they will never be held to account for the fall out from their posts. Would you be willing to discuss face to face your opinions with one of the market stall holders which(in your words)are "pretty rubbish"? If so, I'll bow out...

[tallulah71]

"the non-food stalls are largely pretty rubbish"

2nd hand vinyl / furniture

beautifully designed hand-made bespoke jewellery

Hand knitted hats/scarves/jumpers

plants and herbs

books

top quality pet products

cool vintage clothing

leather bags

shabby chic lanterns and decorative 'bits'

stunning silk throws

yep - all, "largely rubbish". I don't know know why anyone bothers with it at all...

[edcam]

Ron70 Wrote:

Would you be

> willing to discuss face to face your opinions with

> one of the market stall holders which(in your

> words)are "pretty rubbish"? If so, I'll bow out...

I don't think that would achieve much but a conversation with whoever "manages" the market would be constructive.

[Ron70]

edcam Wrote:

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> Ron70 Wrote:

> Would you be

> > willing to discuss face to face your opinions

> with

> > one of the market stall holders which(in your

> > words)are "pretty rubbish"? If so, I'll bow

> out...

>

>

> I don't think that would achieve much but a

> conversation with whoever "manages" the market

> would be constructive.

I look forward to seeing the results of your efforts, post conversation.

[edcam]

Ron70 Wrote:

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>>

> I look forward to seeing the results of your

> efforts, post conversation.

Me too!

[tallulah71]

edcam - whoever "manages" the market can be contacted at Southwark. Do you really think that you will meet with them at their offices and voice your complaints about how "rubbish" the market is (for you)?

You have no clue...I too look forward to your conversation with the market manager.....;)

[Ron70]

tallulah71 Wrote:

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> edcam - whoever "manages" the market can be

> contacted at Southwark. Do you really think that

> you will meet with them at their offices and voice

> your complaints about how "rubbish" the market is

> (for you)?

>

> You have no clue...I too look forward to your

> conversation with the market manager.....;)

Talulah,

You are rapidly becoming my favourite EDF poster :-)

[edcam]

tallulah71 Wrote:

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> edcam - whoever "manages" the market can be

> contacted at Southwark. Do you really think that

> you will meet with them at their offices and voice

> your complaints about how "rubbish" the market is

> (for you)?

>

> You have no clue...I too look forward to your

> conversation with the market manager.....;)

Possibly. I'll see if I have time. "You have no clue". Always an interesting internet meme. My point is merely that the market could be better.

[KidKruger]

"Better", that specific measure used to engineer all great improvements.

[edcam]

tallulah71 Wrote:

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> "the non-food stalls are largely pretty rubbish"

>

> 2nd hand vinyl / furniture

>

> beautifully designed hand-made bespoke jewellery

>

> Hand knitted hats/scarves/jumpers

>

> plants and herbs

>

> books

>

> top quality pet products

>

> cool vintage clothing

>

> leather bags

>

> shabby chic lanterns and decorative 'bits'

>

> stunning silk throws

>

> yep - all, "largely rubbish". I don't know know

> why anyone bothers with it at all...

You make it sound almost worth shopping there.

[eberg]

I agree Louisa. I first moved to Lordship Lane in 1983 and the community was quite a different place then. I'm not saying it was better or worse but it was certainly more varied in terms of people. I have to say on balance, I preferred it as it was. Too many beards and buggies now. That's not to say I don't like beardy men, I am one albeit of the grizzled grey variety and I'v brought up three kids myself. But ED can feel like a bit of a monoculture sometimes.

[DulwichFox]

I agree with edberg..

I moved to ED 1980.. It was a much more pleasant place then...

You could walk into ANY pub back then and know someone, if not most people..

It was real community back then.

Although some of these folks are no longer with us, many still are but seldom venture out.

And I am talking about people who are 50-60. Not very old people.

Pubs can be very hostile.. Well they are mostly not pubs..

Most cannot make up their minds if they are Pubs selling food, Restaurants selling Beer.

If they are music bars,??? Coctail Bars ???

There are too many shopping tourists..

East Dulwich cannot cope with it..

The Sea-side resorts made parking so difficult (Ramsgate virtually impossible) to reduce the influx

of W/E travellers. People have got there Town back and the place is a much better place for it.

DF

[vandam]

I really like strolling down North Cross Road Market on a Saturday morning.

Errh, that's it.

Relax people.

:)

[tallulah71]

"Better" than what, Edcam?

I think people would really love to hear how you would improve on what is already on offer in the space provided. That is, of course, if you have the time...