To the cyclist on the pavement ...

[haruki]

... opposite ED station, with the child seat on the back. You know who you are. I don't suppose you'll read this, but if you do, I agree with the man you were in a fracas with, you are a disgrace. When facing somebody who has correctly pointed out that you shouldn't be on the pavement, the appropriate response is not to make baby noises and threaten to hit them.

Your behaviour was embarrassing and I'm just sorry I wasn't ten seconds quicker so you could have faced someone your own size.

Obligatory PS - I know not all cyclists do this, but this moron did.

[FJDGoose]

Sounds like a complete idiot

[Zebedee Tring]

People like that give well behaved cyclists a bad. Unfortunately there are too many arrogant, badly behaved cyclists around these days.

[edcam]

It's a problem that's definitely getting worse. And I agree it gives the cyclists with a brain or an iota of respect for others a bad name.

[henryb]

I guess it depends on how he/she was cycling and what the man said to them first. I personally never cycle on the pavement but perfectly understand why some people do. When I am a pedestrian I don?t mind sharing the pavement with cyclists as long as they do responsibly. This is also consistent with the view of the Home Office and it guidelines to the police. To re-iterate here

"The introduction of the fixed penalty is not aimed at responsible cyclists who sometimes feel obliged to use the pavement out of fear of traffic and who show consideration to other pavement users when doing so. Chief police officers, who are responsible for enforcement, acknowledge that many cyclists, particularly children and young people, are afraid to cycle on the road, sensitivity and careful use of police discretion is required."

http://lcc.org.uk/articles/minister-for-cycling-clarifies-pavement-cycling-advice-after-1057-fines-for-pavement-cycling-in-london

In my view driving a car in the busy, polluted city is more anti-social than cycling on the pavement.

[sheilarose]

henryb Wrote:

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> I guess it depends on how he/she was cycling and

> what the man said to them first. I personally

> never cycle on the pavement but perfectly

> understand why some people do. When I am a

> pedestrian I don?t mind sharing the pavement with

> cyclists as long as they do responsibly. This is

> also consistent with the view of the Home Office

> and it guidelines to the police. To re-iterate

> here

>

> "The introduction of the fixed penalty is not

> aimed at responsible cyclists who sometimes feel

> obliged to use the pavement out of fear of traffic

> and who show consideration to other pavement users

> when doing so. Chief police officers, who are

> responsible for enforcement, acknowledge that many

> cyclists, particularly children and young people,

> are afraid to cycle on the road, sensitivity and

> careful use of police discretion is required."

>

> http://lcc.org.uk/articles/minister-for-cycling-cl

> arifies-pavement-cycling-advice-after-1057-fines-f

> or-pavement-cycling-in-london

>

> In my view driving a car in the busy, polluted

> city is more anti-social than cycling on the

> pavement.

Agreed. Especially your last sentence.

[BrandNewGuy]

henryb Wrote:

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> In my view driving a car in the busy, polluted

> city is more anti-social than cycling on the

> pavement.

Uh? So what you're saying is, "Here's a worse thing than the bad thing you mentioned, so it makes your bad thing less bad." Stabbing people is worse than spitting at them, too.

[henryb]

> Uh? So what you're saying is, "Here's a worse

> thing than the bad thing you mentioned, so it

> makes your bad thing less bad." Stabbing people is

> worse than spitting at them, too.

If spitting was illegal and stabbing people wasn't then it would be fair to point out the inconsistency.

[LadyDeliah]

Stabbing and spitting are assaults, cycling on the pavement responsibly without harm to anyone cannot be compared. Driving on the other hand causes ill health by way of exhaust fumes, congestion and damage to the roads.

[JohnL]

BrandNewGuy Wrote:

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> henryb Wrote:

> --------------------------------------------------

> -----

>

> > In my view driving a car in the busy, polluted

> > city is more anti-social than cycling on the

> > pavement.

>

> Uh? So what you're saying is, "Here's a worse

> thing than the bad thing you mentioned, so it

> makes your bad thing less bad." Stabbing people is

> worse than spitting at them, too.

Thing he means we should try and tolerate it, as we no doubt do bad stuff too.

Would be a bit hypocritical of pedestrians wandering in the middle of the road

looking at iPhone texts to criticise the cyclist on the pavement.

[ruffers]

If only we already had a really long thread about this..

[miga]

.

[monkeylite]

I will tell my dear old aunt, who just had a hip operation four months ago, that she shouldn't be driving in this horrid weather, as that would mean she is a kitten killing, warmongering anti social.

[showboat]

"responsibly without harm to anyone"

Ah! But there the rub...who defines it?

We are a rarity in London, a family without a car, who use public transport for most stuff, bicycles sometimes and the occasional lift from my mum! I'm with LD on the fervent desire for this city to be made much more cycle-friendly; one of the reasons I don't use the bike so much if my wife's fear of me being in an accident.

But I do have a problem with adults cycling at speed on pavements. I don't see it that often, but when I do it makes my blood boil. I also don't think one should try and cycle through a crowd, something I've seen before.

My feeling is that pedastrians get priority on the pavement, and so long as both walkers and riders are respectful there's no reason we can't share the space if a bike needs to go on the pavement.

[ultraburner]

Here we go again..... :(

[the-e-dealer]

I will only drive my car on the pavement.

[the-e-dealer]

Yeah you never use a car! :-)

[BrandNewGuy]

LadyDeliah Wrote:

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> Stabbing and spitting are assaults, cycling on the

> pavement responsibly without harm to anyone cannot

> be compared. Driving on the other hand causes ill

> health by way of exhaust fumes, congestion and

> damage to the roads.

Driving on the road is legal. Cycling on the pavement is dubiously legal.

[El Pibe]

gee .... suss ... wep ...... t

[LadyDeliah]

BrandNewGuy Wrote:

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> LadyDeliah Wrote:

> --------------------------------------------------

> -----

> > Stabbing and spitting are assaults, cycling on

> the

> > pavement responsibly without harm to anyone

> cannot

> > be compared. Driving on the other hand causes

> ill

> > health by way of exhaust fumes, congestion and

> > damage to the roads.

>

> Driving on the road is legal. Cycling on the

> pavement is dubiously legal.

Currently, but watch this space.

[Dopamine1979]

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[northlondoner]

henryb Wrote:

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> I guess it depends on how he/she was cycling and

> what the man said to them first. I personally

> never cycle on the pavement but perfectly

> understand why some people do. When I am a

> pedestrian I don?t mind sharing the pavement with

> cyclists as long as they do responsibly. This is

> also consistent with the view of the Home Office

> and it guidelines to the police. To re-iterate

> here

>

> "The introduction of the fixed penalty is not

> aimed at responsible cyclists who sometimes feel

> obliged to use the pavement out of fear of traffic

> and who show consideration to other pavement users

> when doing so. Chief police officers, who are

> responsible for enforcement, acknowledge that many

> cyclists, particularly children and young people,

> are afraid to cycle on the road, sensitivity and

> careful use of police discretion is required."

>

> http://lcc.org.uk/articles/minister-for-cycling-cl

> arifies-pavement-cycling-advice-after-1057-fines-f

> or-pavement-cycling-in-london

>

> In my view driving a car in the busy, polluted

> city is more anti-social than cycling on the

> pavement.

Lol only a matter of time before the crazies came out! A cyclist could pedal naked through an intensive care ward smoking a pipe and it would still be ok with this lot!

Only the most Lycra constricted brain could draw the frankly ass- backwards

comparison between driving and cycling on the pavement !

[Otta]

This thread is a brilliant example of why people find cyclists bloidy annoying. Soneone starts a thread about a specific incident and even goes to the pains if stating that the person he describes is not typical, and gives cyclists a bad name.

Then along come the cyclists who don't even mention the story the OP was telling, but jump straight in to "we're not as bad as drivers".

This thread wasn't even about his cycling, but about him acting like a twat.

I'm not a motorist or a cyclist, but when I read threads like this I find myself turning against the cyclists. perhaps they should stop being so holier than thou, and they might find people happier to talk with them about how we csn make the roads safer.

[edcam]

Agree with Otta. The inability of some of the "cyclists" that appear on these threads to be reasonable merely strengthens the arguments against antisocial cycling (which is becoming more of a problem in London, there's no doubt.)

[Louisa]

Some of the cyclists on this forum are fruit loops. Constantly jumping to extreme conclusions which are totally off topic not relevant to what this thread is even about. I drive a car, I accept some automobile users are d?&@heads, some cyclists are too. So are some pedestrians. Stick to the topic at hand and stop veering off into militant "I'm a cyclist and we are amazing just because I say so" it's boring the bejesus out of me and everyone else.

Louisa.