Rolf Noooooooooooooo!

[Jeremy]

LadyDeliah Wrote:

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> underage boys often see it as a positive thing so don't report it.

Is this sort of consensual activity (aleit underage/illegal) viewed by the law in the same way as the likes of Harris/Saville/Glitter?

[LadyDeliah]

I think it's beginning to be taken more seriously now. Don't forget it was pretty much accepted as a minor offence for men to have concensual sex with under age girls until fairly recently.

[steveo]

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[PokerTime]

Very interesting link LD. We can only guess at how much abuse goes/ has gone unreported. It's very hard to have the whole picture.

[tfwsoll]

I am sure that it is unintentional but to refer to 'copping a feel' and 'groping' really does undermine the severity of what he did and the impact on the children it happened to. It is sexual molestation and to call it anything else implies that it shouldn't be taken so seriously. I can't feel a modicum of sympathy for the man and I am pretty sure that if it had been your children or grandchildren he had molested, you wouldn't either.

[Otta]

I specifically used the word "groping" because I'd heard one of the women he'd done it to describe him as "a groper" on the radio that morning. But you are right and I didn't intent to play anything down.

[the-e-dealer]

I don't think he did just cop a feel. Is this the bit where we all start having a go at each Other ?

[purplebreeze]

Well said randombloke

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> Rolf Harris has been found guilty of probably the

> worst most vile crime by the best justice system

> in the world. The crimes he has committed are a

> living hell for any of the victims.

>

> Making jokes about it is in very poor taste.

> Irrespective of the motives of any of the

> accusers, if he did these awful crimes he should

> be punished.

>

> As has been suggested paedophiles are extremely

> skilled at hiding their crimes. We tend to

> disbelieve they could possibly have been guilty of

> them. And that is the main issue.

>

> Had he admitted his crimes then perhaps his

> victims could have avoided a harrowing time in

> court. He, or his defence team chose not to.

>

> Without going into detail I know someone very well

> who was abused for over 15 years starting as a 4

> year old. She tried to "tell" on him but was never

> believed. It was something she never recovered

> from.

>

> Like everyone else I wanted to believe that he had

> been wrongly accused. It seems he was not.

>

> Part of my childhood has gone. But that is as

> nothing to the life of shame felt by the victims.

>

>

> They are the ones we should feel sorry for.

[purplebreeze]

Well said PokerTime

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> the-e-dealer Wrote:

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> -----

> > Why do you find the notion strange its widely

> > known that many abusers were abused.

>

> There has to be some care in making these kinds of

> parallels. Most abused children do not grow up to

> be abusers themselves. Nor are all peadophiles the

> victim of childhood abuse.

>

> There is however a theory that in dealing with

> trauma, the brain in some people rewires itself to

> turn trauma (pain) into fantasy (pleasure). That

> would be one explanation why something traumatic

> to a child, or indeed an adult, then becomes in

> turn a sought out act of pleasure. BUT, the vast

> majority of abused children, whilst suffering

> psychological damage do not develop in this way.

> It is also notable that that the vast majority of

> sexual abusers are male. Women who abuse children

> tend to use violence and neglect. But women have

> often looked the other way while husbands,

> brothers etc have sexually abused their own

> children. It's impossible to know why any of these

> people behave in this way. All that can be said is

> that there are a whole range of adults who do not

> see children in the way most of us do.

>

> Jailing people like Glitter, gives some protection

> to society. Jailing someone like Rolf, after the

> act, sends a clear message that no-one is above

> the law. Both of these men have had entire

> lifetimes to seek help or find some way to live

> another way. They chose not to. Compare that to

> the lifetime of shame felt by their victims.

[purplebreeze]

Well said LadyDeliah

And it is true that many people neglect to think about the effects on young men and buy into the *cougar* society...and with the changes in the Sexual Offences Act 2003 and the later revisions we are now able to prosecute women for sexual offences that previously we couldnt.

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> That's not necessarily true PT. There seem to be

> more female sexual abusers than is commonly

> imagined, but underage boys often see it as a

> positive thing so don't report it.

>

> There has been a lot with small kids in day care

> and other situations where women are carers.

> There seems to be quite a lot of mixed research,

> but this is quite a good analysis of this taboo

> area of the debate.

>

> http://www.ipt-forensics.com/library/female.htm

[purplebreeze]

Well said tfwsoll just like Gary Glitter being referred to a *sex tourist* when he and many others are 'travelling sex offenders*

Wrote:

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> I am sure that it is unintentional but to refer to

> 'copping a feel' and 'groping' really does

> undermine the severity of what he did and the

> impact on the children it happened to. It is

> sexual molestation and to call it anything else

> implies that it shouldn't be taken so seriously.

> I can't feel a modicum of sympathy for the man and

> I am pretty sure that if it had been your children

> or grandchildren he had molested, you wouldn't

> either.

[Bic Basher]

A workman claimed he found a stash of child porn at his former home in Sydenham.

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/rolf-harris-home-raided-months-3819188

[El Pibe]

From a paper that staged photos for a story, trial by media is one thing, trial by mirra ...

[the-e-dealer]

So the big mirror story. Nothing found under floorboards, wow, is it britains cheapest journalism.

[uncleglen]

Sunday Express carrying an article by Vanessa Feltz - she reveals that he put his hand up her leg whilst being interviewed on the bed during Channel 4's Big Breakfast. Rolf's wife was there and Vanessa felt that she could not brush him off as they were on air. This was nearly 20 years ago! What are these luvvies on that they cover up for each other. She tries to come across as an agony aunt and she could have prevented 20 years of grief for a number of young girls and women.

[LadyDeliah]

Nice bit of victim blaming there uncleglen.

[Jeremy]

Some pretty nasty stuff about Feltz on twitter, apparently. I'm not a fan by any means, but christ... what is wrong with some people?

[the-e-dealer]

she is irritating and a bit of name dropper etc but yeah she's just a human.

[Otta]

Indeed. As said elsewhere, I find her very annoying, but no need for nastiness.

[El Pibe]

shes improved hugely, but then Talk Shows arent a great launch pad for public adoration, unless you're Jerry Springer.

I think the timbre of her voice is inherently annoying, that might account for much of it too.

back to rolf and his art (or glitters' etc) http://www.independent.ie/opinion/columnists/ruth-dudley-edwards/why-there-are-no-winners-in-the-squalid-saga-of-rolf-harris-30408989.html

[Otta]

I'm not a huge fan of Russel Brand, but I thought

"Russell Brand - who these days sees himself as a sage rather than as a comedian famous for his voracious appetite for consenting adult lovelies"

Was a bit bloody rich when spoken by a clearly opinionated columnist!

[first mate]

Slightly off message but bigger story now is Westminster, from former PM's down. Does a lot of this have its beginnings in the homoerotic, fag culture of major public schools, I wonder?

[Dopamine1979]

I don't think cigarettes have anything to do with this.

[first mate]

Ah but no smoke without fire.

[miga]

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