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I'm considering moving to the East Dulwich area but it seems the only women that live there are mothers who lounge around in coffee shops all day. Everywhere I look there's a child about and loads of ads about 'mother and baby yoga' and the like. I'm a woman in her 20's who has a career. Are there any such women in Dulwich?


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indiepanda Wrote:

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> Yes but we're at work during the day, so you won't

> see us in the coffee shops.



Very good point by indiepanda. Perhaps you should look in bars in the evening when trying to assess where the childless women are?

To mattham


After reading your post:


'Ultimately though, freedom is a small (temporary?) price to pay for the rewards children bring. I don't for a second think those without children lead less fulfilling lives, but having kids certainly brings an extra dimension to life. And it makes you realise, perhaps for the first time, how much you were loved as a child.'


I can positively say you sound ghastly too. Not everyone had a happy childhood and freedom is very important.


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Oh I'm glad you've brought this thread into the lounge now I don't have to think too much about my response...

Angela may I draw you attention to Paine and Hunter... an okish opticians on Lordship Lane - I'm sure you've passed it whilst sussing out the area in such a thorough manner. That's to say ARE YOU BLIND! Over generalisation is a terrible thing really it is and demonstrates your lack of knowledge of the area.

As on the other thread it has been made clear (if you really did need evidence) there are many women fitting the description you are seeking and to be honest I find your stereotypical view of ED quite offensive.

"seems the only women that live there are mothers who lounge around in coffee shops all day. Everywhere I look there's a child about and loads of ads about 'mother and baby yoga' and the like"

PLZ!

Surely as a "woman in her 20's who has a career" you really would not have that much time to notice such things or are you deluding yourself as to how busy and career dominating your life really is? Now now don't be getting your feathers all ruffled I'm just expressing my opinions as one career woman to another.

You don't need time on your hands to notice such things-10 mins is suffice enough! You cannot deny the amount of children and mothers in East Dulwich is high. There's even a group on facebook called the babies are taking over east dulwich. It's not a sterotypical view, it's a fact so get yourself to specsavers.
I'm beginning to ask myself that tbh! Think it's a lovely safe area with green space and good transport links plus really like lordship lane. Maybe I could set up a child free group to rival the numerous 'mummy and baby' ones ;0)

Blimey; you've done your homework! That post was months ago. And you're right; I probably am quite horrid in my own way. But I fail to see how you could deduce it from that post.


Did you have an unhappy childhood Angela? I'm genuinely sorry if you did (it's one of the things parenthood has made me sensitive to ? as I was alluding in that post). But if it has left you not wanting to even see children or parents then you're going to have an unhappy adulthood too. Unless you want to live in some post-apocalyptic Children of Men style dystopia, you're going to have to get used to the fact that our world also accommodates parents and children. So too, do our coffee shops. And to disparage mothers who "lounge around" in such shows a terrible lack of respect for those who are doing the toughest (and most important) job in the world.

Yes, KalamityKel. Totally not trying to discredit mothers and babies (or daddies although don't see many of them during the day tbh. someone gotta earn the ? I suppose!). Just wanted to know as much as poss about the people in the area before I fork out money buying somewhere!

I wasn't working on Monday, and I think for the first time ever, I witnessed mid-week East Dulwich during the day. In defence of Angela, I was quite taken aback by the number of mothers and children. Not saying that in a negative way... I just wasn't expecting quite so many.


mattham's post seemed a little judgemental and unnecessary.

No doubt my post was a little judgemental, but I'm always surprised to read on here just how 'anti' some can be of the mum and buggy brigade (not saying you are Jeremy). The original post seemed to fit right into that.


Angela; I have a career. I've also looked after our kids for the day and I know which is harder (and which I believe to be more important). So I'll always side with the mothers, I'm afraid. My mum brought my brother and me up on her own and I can't imagine how difficult that must have been.


Let me know if you move to the area and we can go for a coffee (I'm often in Caffe Nero, or Green and Blue; with all the mums), and we can debate this til the cows come home.

Boring boring boring boring.


Some people choose to have children, some people choose not to. We all have to share the planet and East Dulwich - so we might as well get on with it. Also I cannot see why a child-free group has to be anything to do with singles, lots of people in long term relationships are child-free too.


Someone asked either on this thread or the parallel one in ED topics why mothers are in the coffee shops - obviously because they are waiting for the pubs to open and they don't want to be seen queuing outside.

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