The 2014 World Cup thread

[El Pibe]

Wilde put it better

"To lose one temper may be regarded as a misfortune; to lose two looks like carelessness, three involves a two year ban; unless you're a liverpool player in which case anything goes as long as you're one of our own"

[Otta]

Yeah this is totally about Liverpool, and we're totally "chippy" (whatever the hell that even means).

Where have Anna or I defended him or said what he did was okay?

I'm sure all other club supporters would be totally different if it was their player.

[Jeremy]

Nobody's saying he shouldn't be punished. It was aggressive, and showed a complete lack of discipline and self control. He shouldn't play again in the world cup IMO.

The question for me is whether this really is more serious than something like an intentional foul which could seriously injure a player. SJ says "it's nothing to do with the amount of damage done physically"... but surely physical harm (or at least potential for it) is pretty significant?

[Otta]

What Jeremy said.

I want to see him punished. I want to see him get help.

But what he did actually had no effect on the world cup (other than his own country who will lose their best player) or another player's health.

[*Bob*]

He has to put that 'egg tooth' to some use I guess.

[david_carnell]

Jeremy Wrote:

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> tfwsoll Wrote:

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> > Cote D'Ivoire were robbed....

>

> Why are they down as "Cote D'Ivoire" rather than

> "Ivory Cost"?

>

> We don't call Germany Deutschland.

The originial "Ivory Coast" included Ghana and Liberia in the colonial era. So in the 1980s the government declared C?te d'Ivoire (or, more fully, R?publique de C?te d'Ivoire) to be its formal name for the purposes of diplomatic protocol, and officially refuses to recognize or accept any translation from French to another language in its international dealings.

Whereas Germany recognises "Germany" as the official English name for Deutschland. I doubt they'd be as happy if we continued to refer to them as Prussia.

[Otta]

Did Netherlands used to be referred to as Holland on British telly?

[titch juicy]

There's a very fine line between a late/high challenge in the heat of the match and a deliberate attempt to injure someone by fouling them.

There's no fine line between deliberately biting someone and not biting someone.

I think it's quite an important distinction.

[El Pibe]

diplomatic protocols count? really?!?!

Do TV companies have to consult with the Welsh embassy before deciding whether Gales is officially sanctioned?

hannggg onnnnn ;-P

[Jeremy]

I always just assumed that translations for country names were sort of "made up". Didn't realise they had to be officially sanctioned by the country itself. It's probably a sensible precaution though...

[Rhinestone Cowboy]

Breaking news.....

Luis Suarez is leaving Liverpool to join Borussia Munchonyourcentreback

sorry but made me smile...

[aquarius moon]

Otta Wrote:

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> Did Netherlands used to be referred to as Holland

> on British telly?

Yes.

That's how I still refer to them.

Johan Cruyff used to play for Holland not Netherlands!

[david_carnell]

Ah, this is way more complex than the Ivory Coast, sorry, Cote d'Ivoire.

This explains it more amusingly than I could.

http://www.cgpgrey.com/blog/the-difference-between-holland-the-netherlands

[StraferJack]

?Yeah this is totally about Liverpool, and we're totally "chippy" (whatever the hell that even means). ?

Chippy in this case means sounding as if they have a chip on their shoulder

?Where have Anna or I defended him or said what he did was okay? ?

Didn?t say either of you said either of those things. What I am saying is that it is you Liverpool supporters saying supporters of other teams are only picking on him because he?s a Liverpool player

?I'm sure all other club supporters would be totally different if it was their player.?

Ooh look ? there it is again

[Jah Lush]

Suarez has attempted to defend himself following the incident, telling Uruguayan television: "These situations happen on the pitch, we were both just inside the area, he struck me in the chest with his shoulder and he hit me in the eye as well.

"These are things that happen on the pitch and you shouldn't attach so much importance to them.

"I'm very happy to have qualified. We are taking each game as it comes, we know that we're in a difficult situation, we're at our limits now."

Bullshit - you cheating horrible little turd.

[StraferJack]

"things happen on the pitch"

that's why we talk about all those other notorious biters

[El Pibe]

suarez, twatto, guarro; enough already.

So who next for the england job, and is there anything he can do with the tools at hand, or do we just have a screwdriver set from a cracker rather than a Stahlwille toolbox.

[StraferJack]

dunno - what did Robson do after a disatrous '88 campaign?

[El Pibe]

Steve Bruce has already been mentioned apparently.

[El Pibe]

I like Roy, I'd be happy to see him stay despite the fact, to quote RTE commentator, that England's football was a colourless as their shirts.

I'm just not convinced we have a team coming through.

Can he instill the discipline, organisation and hunger necessary for a less skilled team to achieve? I dunno, not convinced. Lovely chap though.

[El Pibe]

"what did Robson do after a disatrous '88 campaign"

tendered his resignation.

[StraferJack]

didn't stop him getting to semis 2 years later - which is when a lot of english fans come over all unnecessary

I dunno - I like Roy as well but whatever his limitations (and I agree with those) , it's clearly not just "the england manager" that's the problem is it?

[david_carnell]

Exactly - Erikson, Capello, Hodgson

All have a pedigree of winning stuff with big teams and small. All failed with England.

It's beginning to look like the problem might not be with the players.

So either sort that out or just accept we are a second/third rate team.

[El Pibe]

Is it

a) structural in football

b) all the fault of the premiership

c) money money money

d) the potential Keegans of this world are working in management consultancy/a call centre/living with their mum playing xbox/necking miaow miaow and drinking WKD

e) all of the above

[StraferJack]

some/none of the above?

I'd like to see more English players play in other leagues - I don't think there is enough hunger for them to do that (talent comes into play here too)

They carry a premium in the premier league which makes them very comfortable at a very young age - you see the talent at 17 then the ego kicks in, a few goodish performances gives them a name and some forgiveness space and before you know it they have wasted 6 months of the national team's time