Palestinian PR

[vgrant]

That is an appalling article

[vgrant]

Loz Wrote:

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> El Pibe Wrote:

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> > That's not the main problem, the main problem is

> that things are so @#$%& up that bullshit like

> > this can be framed this way.

> >

> > Caring about life is like soo left wing, so

> naive.

>

> I'm not sure how you can consider my comment as

> not 'caring about life'. It's quite the

> opposite.

>

>

> > We coooool right wingers, sorry, free thinkers,

> just care about antithesising guardianista

> windmills

> > in, you know, a tilting fashion.

>

> I don't regard myself as either completely left or

> right wing, as it happens. I'm a bit of both.

Are you a colonial type? your views do seem to point towards this

[El Pibe]

Colonial as in from one of the colonies, the one with Ramsay St? Or as in General Gordon?

[vgrant]

I dunno, somewhere a bit macho that produces reams of accountants and lawyers, but nothing of any real note.

[El Pibe]

Courtney Barnett is very good, and then there's Nick Cave and the Ba....oh yeah, sorry ;-)

[Loz]

vgrant Wrote:

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> I dunno, somewhere a bit macho that produces reams

> of accountants and lawyers, but nothing of any real note.

That sounds like a rather good description of East Dulwich.

[Loz]

vgrant Wrote:

> Are you a colonial type? your views do seem to point towards this

You are Aloysius from "Brideshead Revisited" and I claim my ?5.

[vgrant]

it is ?

time for that Easyjet one way ticket to Dignitas then

*ends it all*

[El Pibe]

interesting perspective here

http://politicalviolenceataglance.org/2014/07/15/why-hamas-escalated-when-before-they-didnt/

"This pattern concurs with the assertion that the early round of missiles was largely the work of the PFLP or other factions with less firepower and an interest in demonstrating their resistance bonafides. It is not until July 7, after Israel struck a tunnel and killed 7 Hamas militants that Hamas unleashed its long-range arsenal and the overall number of launches jumps to over 80.

In other words, the macabre peeing contests currently taking place is not between Israel and Hamas, nor even Hamas and the PA, but between Hamas and the rest of the resistance camp. "

[Jah Lush]

El Pibe Wrote:

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> something about apples falling from trees

> http://www.jpost.com/Opinion/Op-Ed-Contributors/A-

> decisive-conclusion-is-necessary

>

> gilad sone of ariel.

>

> To be extrememly generous, I guess he has a point

> that the pretence that it isn't an occupied

> territory benefits noone.

What he's calling for is genocide.

[El Pibe]

well his dad had a minor stab at it.....

Fortunately he has no say, he's the Katie Hopkins of arab-israeli commentary.

[TE44]

http://www.globalresearch.ca/israel-palestine-netanyahu-government-knew-kidnapped-teens-were-dead-as-it-whipped-up-racist-frenzy/5390628

A link above looking at the investigations into the 3 murdered teenager, which Hamas have denied any connection.

http://www.onislam.net/english/news/middle-east/475027-israelis-admit-burning-palestinian-alive.html

Three Israelis arrested for burning alive Palestinian teenager.

[????]

Yup, splendidly balanced objective journalism....

..(the Gloabal reserach piece on Germany's World Cup victory is well worth reading to give you a hint on their world view)

[TE44]

http://mobile.nytimes.com/2014/07/11/world/middleeast/rumor-and-leaks-fill-a-void-as-israel-silences-press-over-killings.html?referrer=&_r=0

New York Times sit better with you.

[El Pibe]

I guess the limit of info could just as easily be explained by sensitivity to the parents until the full facts are known.

Conspiracy type stuff sounds ludicrous to me, but that Netanyahu would take advantage is no surprise, he's a cynical bastard at the best of times and could only gain from derailing detente between Hamas and Fatah for a unified PA.

He'd have had to say Hamas' presence delegitimised it, in face of the fact that it was the opposite, how much nicer a good ramp of tensions.

Same reason that it didn't make sense that Hamas had done it as they would only lose following the deal.

Rival groups likewise only had something to gain from the deal as Hamas eased its way to pragmatism and ultimately to muddy compromise, portraying themselves as the true inheritors of armed struggle and HAmas as betrayers (just as Hamas had done with Fatah).

Dissidents in Fatah or Hamas always seemed the most likely, and Netanyahu's insistence otherwise reminded me of Aznar's insistence of ETA culpability in the Madrid bombs.

[TE44]

http://jewishvoiceforpeace.org/blog/the-roots-of-the-rising-violence-in-gaza-and-israel

Jewish voice for peace.

[TE44]

http://www.i24news.tv/en/mobile#content/37323

$621 million approved by the senate today, turns my stomach.

[Loz]

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> http://www.i24news.tv/en/mobile#content/37323

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> $621 million approved by the senate today, turns my stomach.

But, according to that article, that is for a purely defence system, not any attack facility. Or do you want to see people hit by rockets?

[TE44]

http://www.i24news.tv/en/mobile#content/32519

so you believe its given with corncern for the israeli people.

Wheres the concern for the palestinian people, who have no defence, nowhere to feel safe.

Do you believe the US wants to see them hit.

[Loz]

That's a bit of whataboutery. I'm still wondering why people stopping themselves being killed by rockets 'turns your stomach'.

[TE44]

Whatabout if you see it as a massacre or not.

Whatabout it not getting in the way of day to day business.

Whataboutery covers a lot, can anyone imagine how these people will

feel, knowing people know what is happening,and a decision like this is made

supporting the people targetting your family.

Whatabout international law.

[Loz]

I think, as most people on this thread seem to, that neither side is exactly doing much to bring peace to the area.

As Otta said, "anyone from outside of the situation that takes a firm side is a bit of a muppet."

[TE44]

Its one thing looking at the powers that be and how they dont give a fkc about there people, but it doesnt stop it being obvious which civilians are not being protected.

[Parkdrive]

El Pibe Wrote:

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> something about apples falling from trees

> http://www.jpost.com/Opinion/Op-Ed-Contributors/A-

> decisive-conclusion-is-necessary

>

> gilad sone of ariel.

>

> To be extrememly generous, I guess he has a point

> that the pretence that it isn't an occupied

> territory benefits noone.

This line taken from the article says it all for me "The residents of Gaza are not innocent, they elected Hamas. The Gazans aren?t hostages; they chose this freely, and must live with the consequences" so just kill them all eh Israel?

[TE44]

http://www.imemc.org/article/68487

israel human rights say international laws being broken.

To call a ceasefire through the media, where no contact was made with Palestine is wrong,

To use the election of Hamas to justify civilians guilt, then refusing to recognise them as a polutical party

when it comes to a ceasefire is wrong.

The link above states what is law, Israels acts are crimes. Interpretation is being twisted to suit,