fterPrince Harry's Remark Now Charles Is In THe Spotlight.

[Tony.London Suburbs]

He has called his friend "Sooty" who,apparently,hasn't been upset at all about this affectionate term.

Will the Media Sweep this under the carpet or will his friend now Sue?;-)

[Mick Mac]

very good t l s - made me laugh anyway.

[Tony.London Suburbs]

Mick Mac Wrote:

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> very good t l s - made me laugh anyway.

One does ones best,My Friend...one does ones best....B)

[*Bob*]

This was a hot conversation topic in the pub last night.

Could see anything wrong with it myself, but my mates (Spick, Chalky, Wop and Spearchucker) didn't agree.

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Don't think you would find it quite such an affectionate term TLS if you were Asian and it was being used in a derogatory way towards you like, oi ***** go home! especially when you are out with your children and it is said with pure hatred in their eyes and your children fear for their safety, yeah, really affectionate!

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Said my piece am not going to get dragged into a racial debate, yes I know, you meant it tongue in cheek etc. and all that, but as they say, said in jest.... you go figure out the rest.

[Tony.London Suburbs]

microbite Wrote:

Said my piece am not going to get dragged into a racial debate, yes I know, you meant it tongue in cheek etc. and all that, but as they say, said in jest.... you go figure out the rest.

Cor Blimey! Steady on!

I only started the bleedin' thread so I could use the punchline of Sweep and Sue!:))

[Tony.London Suburbs]

microbite Wrote:

Don't think you would find it quite such an affectionate term TLS if you were Asian and it was being used in a derogatory way towards you like, oi ***** go home! especially when you are out with your children and it is said with pure hatred in

their eyes and your children fear for their safety, yeah, really affectionate!

I should have made it clear that the Guy regarded the term as "affectionate" not me!

Having worked with Asian friends since 1971,37 years ago in Somerset House and The Law Courts in The Strand I know its all about "intent and context"...in fact on another Forum I wrote about the "Harry" word..

...."do call Pakistani's by this Racist name(it clearly IS if said in a derogatory fashion) ....

[Mick Mac]

I'm with you TLS - I laughed at the Sweep and the Sue punchline - nothing more.

[PeckhamRose]

Should we try and reclaim the language?

I mean, someone from Spain is Spanish, someone from Pakistan is Pakistani or Paki for short.

I have absolutely no offensive bone in my body to want to hurt someone, so I would say it in that context.

I object that people would term me racist when clearly my intention is not.

I am not naive but I get sooo confused over Political Correctness and the fascistic interpretation of language imposed upon me by others.

I need to go out and ask Pakistanis what term they would prefer I think. No-one else is!

[????]

Bleedin' hell Microbite, PCness gone mad...the said in jest bit isn't even right. All TLS is guilty of is some awful punning on "Sue" and "Sweep" characters in the original "S****" show....

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You might find that they don't (apart from trying to prevent the royal family from being embarrassed)like the term and find it offensive.

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Ive now forensically examined my own puppet of Sooty and he is fact yellow with black ears. Maybe Prince Charles was calling his friend this name after the puppet. Maybe because he can't function without a man's hand up his bottom. Which would make him homophobic. Edited to try and make grammatical sense.

[PeckhamRose]

Well I "might" find that "they" don't like the term, but I have not seen their views represented.

I suppose I am arguing over the mis-use of language, and arksking that we reclaim our common sense.

[matthew123]

That S***y does not find it offensive is irrelevant, however Harry might be such a dope that he does not link it in any way to racism. After all Harry's exposure to the world before bonding with his pal S***y could have been limited to Childrens TV, which based on what we now know about the Royal Family intellect is not that far fetched. Remember this is the idiot who went to a fancy dress party as an SS officer.

I was once chatting to an Aussie is an open office and he quite loudly said (as they do ;-), "we're playing the P***'s in cricket", and whilst everyone was shocked an Aussie girl gave him a stunned look and told him, "you can't say that over here [in UK]" ... so it is possible for people detached to make an innocent remark even if other people (us in UK) associate it with 100% racism.

[david_carnell]

I'm going to quote it before SeanMac does, but Aussie comedian Brendan Burns sums things up nicely....

"It's not racist to ask someone 'Are you Indian or Pakistani?' but it is racist to ask someone 'So which one are you?'"

[*Bob*]

Innocent mistakes are easily made.

I went to one of the Chinese takeaways here in SE22 not long back. I didn't have my contact lenses in, so (in order to read the menu on the wall) I pulled the 'emergency short-sighted manouver' where you pull your eyes back at the corners into a squint so you can gain a bit of extra vision.

Oh how we laughed.

[Bizzy]

Paki for short? I don't think so.

Paki isn't even a recognised word - said in any context is wrong! I hate to think what you would call someone from Niger.

Get it right.

[Jeremy]

PeckhamRose Wrote:

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> Should we try and reclaim the language?

> I mean, someone from Spain is Spanish, someone

> from Pakistan is Pakistani or Paki for short.

I know what you mean, I have had similar thoughts myself. The term "Paki" is not intrinsically offensive in itself, as an abbreviation of Pakistani. But the word has had negative, insulting, even violent connotations for so long, and still does... it is far too early to "reclaim" it by dropping it in with otherwise civil conversation.

[jaybee82]

Such a shame as we people from Britain are often called 'Brits', so why cant the same logic be applied with absolutely no malice intended?

[HonaloochieB]

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> Bleedin' hell Microbite, PCness gone mad...the

> said in jest bit isn't even right. All TLS is

> guilty of is some awful punning on "Sue" and

> "Sweep" characters in the original "S****"

> show....

I don't think you've really read the post properly Quids.

TLS is guilty of bloody good punning on Sue and Sweep.

Though how Soo feels about her name being mispelt is not known, she was asked for a quote but noone could hear her because of that silly voice of hers.

Only got herself to blame if you ask me.

Bloody Panda, she should go back to China if she can't be bothered to speak the language properly.

[Mick Mac]

From Wikipedia:

"According to the Oxford English Dictionary, racism is a belief or ideology that all members of each racial group possess characteristics or abilities specific to that race, especially to distinguish it as being either superior or inferior to another racial group or racial groups"

Being Irish, I'll use myself as an example - please, no offence intended to any other Irish people.

Racism is sometimes bad (Irish people are stupid) or good (Irish people are very hospitable and welcoming). If you say either you are being racist (even if you are giving a compliment).

If however someone refers to me as "Paddy" I can say its very offensive - but not racist - under the above dictionary defination in any case. I would say the word "Paki" is potentially offensive and may often be said in a way that is intended to be offensive, so if it offends people it should perhaps not be used. However based upon the dictionary definition I'm not sure it correct to say its racist.

[Tony.London Suburbs]

jaybee82 Wrote:

Such a shame as we people from Britain are often called 'Brits', so why cant the same logic be applied with absolutely no malice intended?

As a Brit,I take great offence at that term as The Irish in occupied Belfast during the 1970's called the Brits,well,er,Brits with real malicious intent::o

[Tony.London Suburbs]

...but not really>:D