matthew123 Posted June 11, 2009 Author Share Posted June 11, 2009 Ronaldo was very influential for United - and they will be transformed without him for better or worse. I don't think anyone is going to miss him departing these shores. United usually spend about ?50m each summer so that on top of the Ronaldo money makes a bumper ?130m transfer budget. Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/5028-on-the-ball-new-football-focus/page/104/#findComment-211826 Share on other sites More sharing options...
lard Posted June 11, 2009 Share Posted June 11, 2009 Keef Wrote:-------------------------------------------------------> It does worry me, with doubts over Liverpool's> spending power, and with Man U now seemingly able> to buy whoever they want.> That's just it though, imagine you are them...who would you buy? Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/5028-on-the-ball-new-football-focus/page/104/#findComment-211933 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tony.London Suburbs Posted June 11, 2009 Share Posted June 11, 2009 matthew123 Wrote:Ronaldo was very influential for United I don't think anyone is going to miss him departing these shores. We'll miss his outrageous talent, though. Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/5028-on-the-ball-new-football-focus/page/104/#findComment-211942 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Annasfield Posted June 11, 2009 Share Posted June 11, 2009 Apparently, there is a rumour on Talk Sport that they're going to go after Torres. You missed a good night last night guys. Shame you couldn't make it. Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/5028-on-the-ball-new-football-focus/page/104/#findComment-211944 Share on other sites More sharing options...
matthew123 Posted June 11, 2009 Author Share Posted June 11, 2009 Even if the Yanks did accept a bid for Torres - Torres would simply say no. Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/5028-on-the-ball-new-football-focus/page/104/#findComment-211953 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keef Posted June 11, 2009 Share Posted June 11, 2009 I hope so Matt, but they say everyone has a price. Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/5028-on-the-ball-new-football-focus/page/104/#findComment-211963 Share on other sites More sharing options...
matthew123 Posted June 11, 2009 Author Share Posted June 11, 2009 Putting aside all the tantrums, winks, stumbles in the box.. was Ronaldo United's greatest ever player? Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/5028-on-the-ball-new-football-focus/page/104/#findComment-212055 Share on other sites More sharing options...
SimonM Posted June 12, 2009 Share Posted June 12, 2009 I saw George Best in his pomp: and Bobby Charlton. So...yer avin' a laff right? :)) Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/5028-on-the-ball-new-football-focus/page/104/#findComment-212060 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keef Posted June 12, 2009 Share Posted June 12, 2009 Where are SP and red_devil? I want to know if you're pleased with the situation? Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/5028-on-the-ball-new-football-focus/page/104/#findComment-212113 Share on other sites More sharing options...
???? Posted June 12, 2009 Share Posted June 12, 2009 SimonM Wrote:-------------------------------------------------------> I saw George Best in his pomp: and Bobby Charlton.> So...yer avin' a laff right? :)) I saw them in their pomp losing 2-1 at Upton Park :)) Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/5028-on-the-ball-new-football-focus/page/104/#findComment-212120 Share on other sites More sharing options...
matthew123 Posted June 12, 2009 Author Share Posted June 12, 2009 I was watching Time Of Our Lives on Sky that focused on Matt Busby 1960s team. Jeff Sterling opened it up with, United dominated the 60s ... shortly afterwards one of the ex-players from that period David Sadler groaned how that team, of Law and Chartlon, almost got relegated in 1962/63 season. Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/5028-on-the-ball-new-football-focus/page/104/#findComment-212136 Share on other sites More sharing options...
SimonM Posted June 12, 2009 Share Posted June 12, 2009 It was a different era.....no "Big 4" then or zillions of ??? floating around. At the start of a season everyone could fancy their chances a little bit. But players like Charlton, Best & Law still boosted everyone's gates. Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/5028-on-the-ball-new-football-focus/page/104/#findComment-212145 Share on other sites More sharing options...
ratty Posted June 12, 2009 Share Posted June 12, 2009 Sad to say this but Ronaldo has more talent than Best and Charlton imo. He is not half the man either of them were though! Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/5028-on-the-ball-new-football-focus/page/104/#findComment-212188 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mick Mac Posted June 12, 2009 Share Posted June 12, 2009 Sorry ratty - that's just plain wrong. Not a patch on Best. Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/5028-on-the-ball-new-football-focus/page/104/#findComment-212205 Share on other sites More sharing options...
kpc Posted June 12, 2009 Share Posted June 12, 2009 Love to see Ronaldo take a free kick with a sodden case ball from the sixties....or Charlton taking a free kick with a modern ball. Know it's a cliche but so much has changed. Ronaldo is immensely skillful but will be remembered by most people for all the wrong reasons. But only got himself to blame. Interesting to see reactions of ManU fans when he plays against them. Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/5028-on-the-ball-new-football-focus/page/104/#findComment-212213 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keef Posted June 12, 2009 Share Posted June 12, 2009 I don't think you can make the comparison, two different eras. Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/5028-on-the-ball-new-football-focus/page/104/#findComment-212214 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mick Mac Posted June 12, 2009 Share Posted June 12, 2009 Keef - The comparison will be how many people will consider Ronaldo to the best player ever to play in England 30 years after his last game - Best still has a lot of people who believe that. I'm not sure Ronaldo legacy will last nearly as long. Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/5028-on-the-ball-new-football-focus/page/104/#findComment-212216 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Annasfield Posted June 12, 2009 Share Posted June 12, 2009 Just depends on your generation I guess. Some people are lucky (or unlucky depending on your stance) to have seen both play. Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/5028-on-the-ball-new-football-focus/page/104/#findComment-212270 Share on other sites More sharing options...
matthew123 Posted June 12, 2009 Author Share Posted June 12, 2009 Ronaldo is a fantastic player who is ideally suited to the smash and grab athletic nature of the Premiership. It's when he faces quality opposition that he looks more ordinary. Put a quick, strong defender on Ronaldo and he is often quiet. I've no doubt someone like Rio Ferdinand would shut Ronaldo down. The difference between Ronaldo and likes of Messi / Kaka / Torres / Gerrard is that those guys really are unstoppable on the biggest stage.It is difficult to truly judge Ronaldo against someone from the 50s, 60s, 70s as we've usually only got goal highlights to go on which gives the impression that every time George Best or Bobby Charlton put their foot on the ball it resulted in a mazy dribble and a block buster goal.What I would say is that Ronaldo has been the most influential player for his team in the Premiership even more so than Henry was at Arsenal or Gerrard at Liverpool. Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/5028-on-the-ball-new-football-focus/page/104/#findComment-212293 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keef Posted June 12, 2009 Share Posted June 12, 2009 Best was also all over the press, front and back pages, and so became a bigger star, and will be remembered so. Beckham will also be remembered for years, whereas other great players, like Gerrard, Henry, *grits teeth* Lampard, Scholes, Giggs and so on, will be forgotten quite quickly after retirement.The fans of their clubs will always remember them, but lets be honest, who really talks about Robbie Fowler, Macca, Rush, Cantona*, Bergkamp, Petit, Van Nistleroy, even the young Owen, who seems like light years ago.Not suggesting Best wasn't great, but I do believe that a player who is in the press a lot will become hyped up and remembered as possibly greater than another player who just kept his head down and played.* Obviously the films keep him in the spot light. Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/5028-on-the-ball-new-football-focus/page/104/#findComment-212316 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mick Mac Posted June 12, 2009 Share Posted June 12, 2009 Annasfield Wrote:-------------------------------------------------------> Just depends on your generation I guess. Some> people are lucky (or unlucky depending on your> stance) to have seen both play.Are you trying to say I'm an old codger Anna? I have to say Ronaldo has a fine shot and stepover - but I think he has limited ability to run with the ball and beat players at speed, something GB had no problems with whatsoever. The first 60 seconds of this show Best do things that Ronaldo could only dream of. Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/5028-on-the-ball-new-football-focus/page/104/#findComment-212318 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keef Posted June 12, 2009 Share Posted June 12, 2009 The PM plays footy? ::o Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/5028-on-the-ball-new-football-focus/page/104/#findComment-212345 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mick Mac Posted June 12, 2009 Share Posted June 12, 2009 Yes - He dribbles with his jowels.... Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/5028-on-the-ball-new-football-focus/page/104/#findComment-212355 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Annasfield Posted June 14, 2009 Share Posted June 14, 2009 17 minute hat-trick from our Nando in the Confed' cup. Get him off now please. Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/5028-on-the-ball-new-football-focus/page/104/#findComment-212795 Share on other sites More sharing options...
matthew123 Posted June 14, 2009 Author Share Posted June 14, 2009 The real reason Rafa wants more English players in the Liverpool team is because they get the summer off every year - whereas the Spanish lads will have played 4 years non stop by the time Liverpool lift the European Cup at Wembley in May 2011. Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/5028-on-the-ball-new-football-focus/page/104/#findComment-212823 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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