On the Ball (new Football Focus)

[????]

Mathew, bulshit comparisons, the words in you post sum it up Given by you and Taken by you...we get your scraps you take our best so going back to your original moan about player loyalty = can we have Yossi back? he didn't finish his contract with us when you came knocking, where's his loyalty?

[matthew123]

Hang on Don Hutchison was a top player and was very disappointed to see him leave Anfield. He'd have been a key player in the Liverpool midfield for quite a few years but his disciplinary problems meant we sold him on to West Ham. You got a very good player for peanuts. In terms of what we lost it was a hell of a lot more than what we gained from signing Yossi. Yossi is a great little player and is probably more of a loss to West Ham than an addition to Liverpool.

As for Crouch, we didn't want to sell but he moaned and groaned and so Rafa let him go - I think Pompey got the better end of the bargain having Crouch than us getting G.Johnson. We already have 3 international right backs at Anfield whereas Crouch would walk into the Liverpool team if we revert to 4-4-2.

[ratty]

Would rather have Glen than Crouch any day of the week.

[matthew123]

Ribery 8-13 on to join Liverpool. Surely not?

http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/2009/07/10/odds-slashed-on-franck-ribery-joining-liverpool-115875-21508887/

[red devil]

C'mon Matthew you're grasping at straws again!

Last night Skybet took ?200 worth of bets @ 66/1, to quote Skybets' Dale Tempest, 'from a dozen people'.

Skybet then cut the odds down to 33/1, and straightaway the same thing happened from the same group of people.

Skybet eventually slashed the odds to 8/13, as a precaution, as they took a hit on Michael Owen recently.

It's very easy to manipulate this type of betting market with relatively small amounts of people and money.

Glen Johnson is yer lot this year...;-)

[mockney piers]

You referred to him az dead wood once, so back please.

[matthew123]

He did well second half of last season, got a lot more involved and showed his quality. If you're going to play him it's got to be with the emphasis on attack to float behind and support the front runners. Unfortunately where Yossi would be best is where Gerrard is automatic choice.

[Atila Reincarnate]

Portsmouth must be laughing their ballacks off over the sale of Johnson, an average player at best sold for an exoribitant fee, remind you of the Darren Bent sale anyone?

[????]

..more Jermaine Pennant

[Atila Reincarnate]

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> ..more Jermaine Pennant

No...Darren Bent, ?16.5 million (same as the god like Thierry Henry who has won everytning under the sun) for a player thats won fcuk all and about as talented as Carlton Palmer.

[Mick Mac]

Henry - a sunshine player.

He only scores when you're winning, he only scores when you're winning....

Never quite made the grade at Barca. Not a bad player though.

[Atila Reincarnate]

Mick Mac Wrote:

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> Henry - a sunshine player.

>

> He only scores when you're winning, he only scores

> when you're winning....

>

> Never quite made the grade at Barca. Not a bad

> player though.

That has to be the biggest load of bollocks ever, never qiute made the grade at Barca? Are you on medication you plank? He'd walk it your, and nearly every other, team no worries. That's the soRt of thinG I expect from a Man Ure fan, SUNSHINE PLAYER MY HAIRY ARSE.

[Mick Mac]

Plank? - easy gooner. Henry is stil to make the grade IMO. All style but not one to have on your team when you are down. Sorry mate.

[Keef]

Atila, all you needed to say was "no way man". Lets play nice in off season, this is peace time, like a Sunday in the trenches. Lets be gentlemen until war starts again. Xxx ;-)

[Atila Reincarnate]

Keef Wrote:

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> Atila, all you needed to say was "no way man".

> Lets play nice in off season, this is peace time,

> like a Sunday in the trenches. Lets be gentlemen

> until war starts again. Xxx ;-)

Sorry mate no can do. Let's examine the facts shall we.

Thierry Henry

1998 - World Cup Winner

2000 - Euro 2000 Winner

2002 - Double Winner

2003 - PFA player of the year and Football Writers Association player of the year. 2nd in the European Football Player of the year and World Player of the year.

2004 - Title Winner in unbeaten season.Top scorer in Premier League with 30 goals as Arsenal win title without losing a match, a feat last achieved 115 years previously. Voted PFA player of the year. Becomes first player since award began more than 50 years ago to be named FWA player of the year in successive seasons.

December: Runner-up in FIFA world player of the year poll.

2005 - FA cup winner. Becomes top-scorer in Arsenal's history, netting twice in Champions League win over Sparta Prague to take his tally to 186, one more than set by Ian Wright in 1990s

2006

February: Scores 200th goal for Arsenal in win over Birmingham.

April: Voted Footballer of the Year for the third time in four years by the Football Writers' Association, becomes the first player in 59 years of the award to receive the accolade three times.

May: Captains Arsenal in their first Champions League final.

2009 - Wins la liga and Champions league.

Some fcuking "sunshine" player eh??? FOR FOOKS SAKE.

[matthew123]

You serious Mick? Henry is a great player - best to ever grace the Premiership by a country mile. Cantona is not fit to lace his boots.

We'll have to see about Glen Johnson, not sure he's that good defensively but then I might be overly critical of his time at Chelsea. The key thing at Liverpool will be his defending as he'll soon have to toe the line about not charging forward.

[Atila Reincarnate]

matthew123 Wrote:

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> You serious Mick? Henry is a great player - best

> to ever grace the Premiership by a country mile.

> Cantona is not fit to lace his boots.

>

Yes matthew, that's word.

[Sandperson]

If Cantona isn't fit to lace his boots what does that make the Liverpool sides from 1991 through to....well about now then? :))

[matthew123]

Cantona was a disgrace who was lucky not have been banged up in prison - but then I'd expect a Man U fan to demand a knighthood! The Cantona myth is not something I buy into just because he played for United. I'd even say Ronaldo was a better footballer when you cut through all that nonsensical poetry crap he came up with about the seagulls which seems to have added to the legend, LOL.

You cannot compare world class players like Torres and Gerrard with a player who couldn't even get into the French international team at a time when they were worse than England.

[Sandperson]

How many league medals did he win compared to Torres and Gerrard? I see you still can't help your viciousness.

[????]

So Cantona wasn't a great player for United!??.....the blatant anti-utd rubbish posted on here means that I am often compelled to stick up for the spoilt northern bastards

[????]

...something I'm not happy about

[matthew123]

Who said Cantona wasn't a great player for United? I simply said he was not fit to lace the boots of Henry, much like a lot of other so called world class players pronounced to us by the media.

United have had a few world class players under Ferguson but Eric Cantona was most certainly not one of them!

Cantona might have been one of the best players in the Premiership during his time in England but just because this was during the period of Carlton Palmer, Geoff Thomas, Nigel Clough and Fash the Bash does not mean he was on a par with Stanley Matthews either.

Anyway, I was just picking up on the remarks that Henry was a 'sunshine player' who'd not quite 'made the grade'.

This is not anti-United bashing either - it's merely a pre-season warm up ;-)

[Annasfield]

I think that Matthew was merely stating his opinion, but as per usual when something negative is said about a United player the "yeah, but Liverpool are shit" type remarks come out of the woodwork.

[Sandperson]

No Anna, he made a direct comparison to Liverpool players Torres and Gerrard and I was just pointing out a fact, yet again, that he was more successful in the league than they were. Anyway, let's not start all this again. Henry was a wonderful player who I used to enjoy watching a lot, the unbeaten Arsenal side were great to watch, so Gerrard and Torres. Is that ok?

Obviously united players are cloggers who only win by luck and bunging the ref. :))