Jade Goody

[AllforNun]

no thats the point fucking rod hull and bleedin nora batty all got a parky !

[????]

Yes, I know....*sighs

[mockney piers]

Noam Chomsky on a light entertainment show, I can't wait, can we have Noam, Philip Bobbitt and John Pilger judging the next Britain's Got Talent pleeeeease

[HonaloochieB]

I don't know, but did Max Clifford organise a 'Goody' bag at the funeral?

Bet he's kicking himself if he didn't.

[bigbadwolf]

I dunno Hona but I'm sure a nose bag was provided for Max once he had his snout wrenched from the trough.

[SimonM]

Michael Parkinson was an excellent sporting journalist before he went even near the Beeb. Then when he started his chat show he had this novel idea of shutting up and letting the guests speak. Mohammed Ali, Hollywood Greats like Niven & Stewart & Astaire, and great raconteurs like Kenneth Williams and Robert Morley. And I will treasure him forever for that first interview with Billy Connolly and the "bike" joke....He never set out to be John Freeman and "Face To Face"

[AllforNun]

MMM Simon I think i will let the great man respond to you

"your the biggest hypocrite in the world, You ain't used to no boxer, no black man coming on to talk sense, you don't have enough wisdom, you do not have enough, your too small mentaly to tackle me, you and your little TV show....you really are a JOKE, I'm serious you really are a JOKE..behind stage your all hee haa haa hee yoor so nice hee hee how are you ? then you get me on the TV and try to corner me with your little book but i caught you you and this little tv show aint nothing to Muhammed ali your got some more questions and i'll bet you i'll eat you up right now"

Ali to Parky

.....it's a funny thing wisdom you either have it ir you don't. And parkinsons got nothing nothing, all those interviews and he learns nothing.

[Narnia]

And what exactly has that supposed conversation to do with JG?

[Mikecg]

The fact that Parkinson made some profound comments about Jades life, so I suppose that shows an insight to the fickle rants of Michael Parkinson, Ali kicked his ass, what a great man Ali is and what a great fighter (No other boxer looked like him No other boxer fought like him, "Joe Frazier ain't he ugly?, I'll take both those bums on the same night")

[Mikecg]

George Forman!

[HonaloochieB]

Of course Simon, there was an element of chat shows being about either conversation or just the guest talking, and talking, and talking. At least it wasn't about the plugging or promotion of what the guest was touting at the time.

Though at times it might have been, but was done so more subtely.

Let's lobby the BBC to bring back Face To Face, I'm not sure who should be the interviewer, not yet.

But the interviewee should be in the public eye, should be prepared to face intelligent, probing questioning and be someone who is...I was about to make all sorts of qualifications, but no.

Maybe if Armando Iannuci was involved, though.

[SimonM]

>>MMM Simon I think i will let the great man respond to you <<

Do you seriously think Parkinson came badly out of that exchange? I was also the biggest fan of Ali but that interview was unbearably sad.

[Huguenot]

The mind boggles that AFN believes that s/he has built her own pedestal sufficiently high to have a valid opinion on the 'quality' of public figures.

I mean, only teasing, but sometimes I wonder if AFN's idea of a cultural tour de force is standing on street corners throwing stones at buses?

Is someone suggesting that Ali had wisdom? Wishful thinking I suspect.

[AllforNun]

when you say public figures, you mean actors and luvvies who appear on parky's old chat show and on a channel they have there own shows on anyway ? i mean its basically no different from some, bint news reader ice skates then goes on a bbc chat show ! really public my arse, lets see gerry adams or ian paisley get grilled/interviewed, lets interview Arafat or castro ! anyone other than fucking miss piggy, phil collins and christ not ronnie bleedin corbert again !!!

and all opinions are valid, just that mine hold weight while parkies hold shite and as for Ali and Wisdom he was f ing wise enough not to want to go on holiday to saigon !!!!!!!

and i would rather a tour de france than a tour de force by all accounts it like amsterdam, drugs galore !!!

[Chick]

Arafat would be impossible and Castro dificult.

[Tony.London Suburbs]

What a load of "Right On" Bollix!....Complete and utter Bullshit ...

I watched all Ali's interviews with Parky and as Brian Clough said to Ali, while he was in the audience that night, Ali lost it big-time!..He ranted incoherently, completely losing his rag because Parky pointed out something that did not seem logical or make much sense.

The great Ali lost his calm, collected mind that night and all dignity disappearred because he was not "big" enough to handle the criticism...He folded like a pack of cards and his temperament was exposed and his insecurity and fragility came through.

Usual boring addendum..."Yes" Ali WAS a great Man(how pathetic that I feel that I have to redress the balance when criticising a Black Guy on The EDF(...He was a great motivator and inspiration to millions Worldwide and, ofcourse, a great Champion but he lost it that night and looked a raving, ranting fool.

[AllforNun]

er.......NO

Parky said sweet FA and got stamped on........ali did what he did best and made his point with force and conviction very unliberal.......parky had neither force or conviction so said nothing in response, so what if ali looked like he ranted or lost his temper your point is what ?....your point is someone loses his temper and apparently he must be wrong.. that is the whole liberal get out clause right there... please think about what you are saying, i do not agree with you , you are ill informed , misguided at best and manipulative at worst. AFN

[Tony.London Suburbs]

AllforNun Wrote:

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> er.......NO

>

> Parky said sweet FA and got stamped on........ali

> did what he did best and made his point with force

> and conviction very unliberal.......parky had

> neither force or conviction so said nothing in

> response, so what if ali looked like he ranted or

> lost his temper your point is what ?....your point

> is someone loses his temper and apparently he must

> be wrong.. that is the whole liberal get out

> clause right there... please think about what you

> are saying, i do not agree with you , you are ill

> informed , misguided at best and manipulative at

> worst. AFN

How fascinating that Ali got personal with Parky and you have chosen to do the same with me AFN...so lets get "personal" if you wish.

Firstly I have just watched the clip again to refresh my memory. I said b4 tha Ali was not being logical (from memory) I did not remember, as it was 35 years ago, what the actual point was that Parky was making but now I have just seen it, then lets examine what Parky said.

He said to Ali that you are a Worshipper of a Religion/Group that believes "The White Man is a Devil" and yet "you have White Friends, indeed more White Friends than any other Black Guy that he knows".

Parky went on to say that "your" Religion believes in total "seperatism" from White people and on the surface this would appear a blatant contradiction, given that Ali appears to have "more White friends etc"....

Surely a perfectly valid question?

How can anyone praise Ali for his performance that night? He was nothing more than a verbal bully giving Parky no chance to answer or make further points or indeed get involved in a conversation.

I assume you understand and grasp the meaning of a conversation?..It would appear not.

Its when YOU talk and I listen and then, guess what?...I talk and then you listen and then it continues with both parties allowing the other to talk and make their points.

This is something that Ali clearly did not want to do and just ranted on and on and you approove of this type of behaviour??

You think its perfectly acceptable for one party to completely monopolise a conversation?

Then Ali started talking about other White "Devils" bracketing all White people in this category and you think thats acceptable AFN?

I have been in a situation a few times over the years with a "ranter" when its impossible to get a word in and I look at them just like Parky did that night and think "you ignorant so-and-so"..its thoroughly unpleasant.

Please don't patronise me with "think about what you are saying"...maybe you should take your own advice AFN..

In conclusion I not agree with you , its you that is "ill informed and misguided" ....

Ali replied that all the White People he knows are "acquaintances".

Do you agree that he was a hypocrite then and do you not think that, on that occassion(which is all I am referring to) that he was an intimidating bully?

[LegalEagle-ish]

Slamdunk TLS.

I got upset when Jade died and surprised myself by crying a tear or two.

I hate the cult of celebrity, but the sadness of waking up on mother's day with my kids and seeing that she had died and left her kids was pretty overwhelming.

[Tony.London Suburbs]

LegalEagle-ish Wrote:

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> Slamdunk TLS.

>

> I got upset when Jade died and surprised myself by

> crying a tear or two.

>

> I hate the cult of celebrity, but the sadness of

> waking up on mother's day with my kids and seeing

> that she had died and left her kids was pretty

> overwhelming.

Of course you are right.

Its tragic and extremely sad whoever the Mother is LE.

[AllforNun]

slam dunk my arse ! i think Ali was restrained not to knock the silly man out. not meaning to get personal as i have no idea about you other than the moniker TLS.

But parky is a complete tool for saying what he said about JG and that is the end of it. Like to see him have a debate with the priest that buried her, but he won't and he can not because his public IMAGE will be trashed.

[Reg Smeeton]

SimonM Wrote:

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> >>MMM Simon I think i will let the great man

> respond to you

> Do you seriously think Parkinson came badly out of

> that exchange? I was also the biggest fan of Ali

> but that interview was unbearably sad.

Almost as sad as the fact that Ali now (ironically) suffers from Parkinson's

[Huguenot]

Well said TLS.

It's no surprise that AFN's view involves hitting someone, or changing the subject. I'm only surprised that a grown adult continues to behave in this way.

[AllforNun]

Er....Ali hit people that was his job and the subject was jade goody so your point is wonderfully pointless ..............now.........your it x

[Tony.London Suburbs]

Well Boy George informed us how to sell a contradiction in "Karma Charmeleon" but I can't say I'm totally sold on this one, I have to say.

Thought Parky was out of order with his Jade's comments but I'll forgive him making one more mistake than The Queen has made in their respective lifetimes...;-)