Lively dogs and little kids - Peckham Rye Park

[Sue]

No wonder people don't want to post on this forum.

ETA The OP makes a perfectly fair and reasonable post and then gets attacked by people like Dulwichdarling.

I agree with the name somebody else called them. Beginning with w and ending with r.

And Dulwichdarling, it's not "banter", it's childish troublemaking. In my opinion.

[dwe]

Surely having a dog or child brings with it responsibility, or should we all just do what we like?

If a dog is off a lead in an area of the park where they are meant to be controlled, and they bite someone then presumably all hell will break lose. Why is it not better for everyone to reduce the chances of this happening ?

This is nothing about namby pambyism, rather common sense and consideration for other park users. If people don't like dogs, then avoid the areas where they are able to be off the lead, and vice versa.

[oimissus]

if you don't like the 'same old stuff', Louisa, then don't read or post on it - just because it's old news to you doesn't make it any less valid to those for whom this is something new and quite upsetting.

Dulwichdarling - so you think that children who are frightened of dogs (almost certainly because of a bad experience they have had) should stay out of parks, but untrained dogs with no recall (and there are plenty of those about in the parks around here) should be allowed to carry on as they are? This is a two-way street, surely - parents need to teach their children how to behave around dogs (and I include in that confident kids who aren't scared of dogs asking permission of the owner before they go up to a dog - just because the kid isn't scared doesn't mean the dog is happy), and dog owners need to teach their dogs recall, and both parties need to keep an eye on their charges, intervene when necessary and take responsibility when necessary. No?

[jctg]

"seriously learn the art of banter"

I would pay for weekly sessions of this. Also, isn't it "bants"?

[Penguin68]

In Reykjavik (I was told by a local guide), which had a problem with dog borne worms infecting people, all dogs were slaughtered. Nowadays people can, again, keep dogs, but need a licence, which must be endorsed by all their neighbours before they can acquire a dog. If their behaviour (not picking up after them, allowing the dogs to bark incessantly) or the dog's (biting, being a nuisance) isn't acceptable, neighbours can withdraw their permission (one's enough) and the dog must then be disposed of. (This doesn't effect working etc. dogs outside Reykjavik). There is a dog-poo island in the harbour where owners are encouraged to walk their dogs. The Icelanders put hobby/ pet (as opposed to working) dogs rather below people. Can't say I blame them.

[Dulwichdarling]

Alrite Sue dear, I think you are rather exaggerating my one comment which was not directed to the original post but to the user who descided to join the anti dog off lead brigade.

No wonder people don't like posting on this forum if they are called a w and ker

I'm a troublemaker but only when it's called for, most of the time I am logical which is what I believe I have expressed, park= dogs playing. Don't like dogs= steer clear

Childish I am not

[dwe]

Park doesn't equal dogs playing off their leads though.

Dogs playing in areas of the park where they are allowed to be off their leads.

[Louisa]

oimissus Wrote:

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> if you don't like the 'same old stuff', Louisa,

> then don't read or post on it - just because it's

> old news to you doesn't make it any less valid to

> those for whom this is something new and quite

> upsetting.

>

It's not old news or even news to anyone though is it oimissus? It's just middle class venting on a public forum because people have nothing else to worry about or talk about. It's a park, lots of people use it, stuff happens which is inconsiderate. You deal with it on the spot, you don't post about it on here. There was no biting or anything bad involved, so why is it worthy of a thread? We all live in a big city, lots of people and animals all sharing a small space. Some of these people or animals will be out of control, most won't. No one was hurt, dog owner needs to learn to control dog and parent needs to socialise kid with more dogs so child isn't scared. "I was in the park and this happened today". Boring.

Louisa.

[dwe]

Louisa Wrote:

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> oimissus Wrote:

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> -----

> > if you don't like the 'same old stuff', Louisa,

> > then don't read or post on it - just because

> it's

> > old news to you doesn't make it any less valid

> to

> > those for whom this is something new and quite

> > upsetting.

> >

>

> It's not old news or even news to anyone though is

> it oimissus? It's just middle class venting on a

> public forum because people have nothing else to

> worry about or talk about. It's a park, lots of

> people use it, stuff happens which is

> inconsiderate. You deal with it on the spot, you

> don't post about it on here. There was no biting

> or anything bad involved, so why is it worthy of a

> thread? We all live in a big city, lots of people

> and animals all sharing a small space. Some of

> these people or animals will be out of control,

> most won't. No one was hurt, dog owner needs to

> learn to control dog and parent needs to socialise

> kid with more dogs so child isn't scared. "I was

> in the park and this happened today". Boring.

>

>

> Louisa.

Middle class venting?

You have remarkable powers of perception.

[Louisa]

It's what the middle classes do. Vent. Moan. Mostly about stuff that wouldnt bother anyone else. I hate what this area is becoming.

Louisa.

[Dulwichdarling]

childish trouble making. Hmmm alrite Sue dear, if that is what using the word 'banter' deserves then so be it

I stand by what I originally said

Park= dogs

Dogs= unpredictable even when trained

Don't like dogs= steer clear when you see them

Call me a w**nker= and you say I'm a childish troublemaker?

Lots of love xxxx

[dwe]

Well it obviously bothers plenty of people.

[dwe]

Dulwichdarling Wrote:

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> childish trouble making. Hmmm alrite Sue dear, if

> that is what using the word 'banter' deserves then

> so be it

> I stand by what I originally said

> Park= dogs

> Dogs= unpredictable even when trained

> Don't like dogs= steer clear when you see them

> Call me a w**nker= and you say I'm a childish

> troublemaker?

> Lots of love xxxx

As you say, they are unpredictable, even when trained. So that is why they should be on leads unless in areas designated otherwise.

Parks are for all people, and any behavior otherwise is selfish.

[Dulwichdarling]

I hate what this area is becoming aswell actually

[Dulwichdarling]

Yes I have no argument with that but it's actually off lead unless stated otherwise

[dwe]

The 2 of you are hilarious, you are basically saying you don't agree to being considerate to other park users.

[Dulwichdarling]

But what about being considerate to dog walkers?

[Louisa]

Yeah dwe, but only since the influx of the annoying middle class guardianista urbanites into the area. You know, people who have nothing else to worry about on a daily basis.

Louisa.

[dwe]

Well surely I am, by stating that dogs should be on leads in areas designated as such, and in areas that they don't need to be I am happy with that too.

If those are the rules of the public space, and everyone adheres to them, what then is the area of concern?

[Dulwichdarling]

That a dog ran up to a kid in the park.... Which seems like a pretty likely event in a park

[dwe]

Louisa Wrote:

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> Yeah dwe, but only since the influx of the

> annoying middle class guardianista urbanites into

> the area. You know, people who have nothing else

> to worry about on a daily basis.

>

> Louisa.

You class warrior you, sticking it to the man!

I was in Dulwich Park on Sunday cycling with the kids, and to be honest it was unruly kids running in front of the bikes that were more dangerous than the dogs.

Surely everything comes down to consideration to others, kids, dogs, adults, Guardianists, Torygraphers etc etc

[No name]

Louisa Wrote:

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> It's what the middle classes do. Vent. Moan.

> Mostly about stuff that wouldnt bother anyone

> else. I hate what this area is becoming.

>

> Louisa.

Louisa, if you hate this area and Forum so much then do something about it...leave?! I suspect you don't hate it quite as much as you suggest.

[dwe]

Louisa would leave but she would miss her mini caramel latte / frappe too much.

[Dulwichdarling]

It's all about the oolong tea at the moment actually

[dwe]

I almost choked on my spelt bread open sandwich then.