Reclaim Brixton

[edcam]

When I moved to Ed in 1995, you couldn't move for actors. Still a fair few around but only the ones who can afford it (which is a tiny percentage.)

red devil Wrote:

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> Wasn't ED originally a magnet for the acting

> fraternity, a sort of bohemia lite?...

[Jeremy]

Fox... I think most reasonably intelligent people understand the downsides of urban gentrification as well as the positives.

People might have been more sympathetic towards you and Louisa if you'd chosen your targets more sparingly... I suspect that there are valid concerns there, underneath the relentless complaining.

[DulwichFox]

Jeremy Wrote:

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> Fox... I think most reasonably intelligent people

> understand the downsides of urban gentrification

> as well as the positives.

>

> People might have been more sympathetic towards

> you and Louisa if you'd chosen your targets more

> sparingly... I suspect that there are valid

> concerns there, underneath the relentless

> complaining.

Selective reading.. Jeremy..

No one ever comments or agrees when either of us ever posted praise of any business .

DF

[Jeremy]

In which case I will keep an eye out for your next words of praise and enthusiasm.

[Otta]

DulwichFox Wrote:

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> No one ever comments or agrees when either of us

> ever posted praise of any business .

1. That's not true

2. What do you want, a cookie? A slap on the back? A round of applause? Just for saying something positive.

And you can't really compare the gentrification that has happened in Dulwich to what continues to happen in Brixton (Brixton has been going through gentrification just as long as ED, but now a line is seen to be being crossed). Brixton is a hub, it's got a much bigger and busier high street, had a great market, has a largeish music venue, and loads of bars / clubs / small music venues. It's a destination.

ED isn't and never has been.

And I say all that as someone who hasn't liked all the changes in ED, and has been forced to look elsewhere for an affordable home. But what is felt to be happening in Brixton is a very different thing.

[DulwichFox]

Jeremy Wrote:

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> In which case I will keep an eye out for your next

> words of praise and enthusiasm.

Heres a little taster to get you off the mark...

Re: the French Cafe, Peckham Rye

Posted by DulwichFox April 02, 12:05PM

Went there this morning.. Delightful little place...

Had a Pot of Tea 2.00 and one of those spirally current things (Pain aux raisins) ? 2.25

Tea was fresh in a proper china tea-pot with little milk jug.

Pain aux raisins was very fresh.

Lovely atmosphere with pleasant low level background music so you can talk without shouting.

Loved the simplicity of the d?cor and the little cushions. Not at all ostentatious.

Very attentive and pleasant staff..

Hope not too many people find out about it. I want it all to my self .. smiling smiley

No. Well worth a visit..

Could not resist the rustic sugar cubes Brown and White. not good for my B.G. levels..

But then I discovered they have gone to the trouble of providing Sweetners.

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messageRe: The Patch/the Mag

Posted by DulwichFox March 19, 05:35PM

Im impressed . They have got this place up and running pretty quick.

Really looks like they know what they are doing.

Good addition to the area.

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Re: Franca Manca

Posted by DulwichFox 19 November, 2014 10:30

Spoke to someone last night who had just been to Franco Manca.

They thoroughly enjoyed the food and atmosphere..

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I do not relentlessly complain. I just relentlessly reply to those that relentlessly give me grief.

Foxy

[Seabag]

Erm but.....Brixton was originally gentrified was it not?

Jus' saying

Eter Fox with some old guff about Brixton being a field once (wiki copy and paste here)

[DulwichFox]

Seabag Wrote:

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> Erm but.....Brixton was originally gentrified was

> it not?

>

> Jus' saying

>

Eter Fox with some old guff about Brixton being a

> field once (wiki copy and paste here)

It was indeed. Didn't John Major once live there.

DukwichFox

[fortified]

Brixton got dull people who at least had an appreciation of the countercultural. East Dulwich, on the other hand, seems to have attracted the kind of person who can't cope with a bit of Louisa.

Says it all really.

Otta Wrote:

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> brezzo Wrote:

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> -----

> > Squatters, anarchists, alternative life

> stylists

> > are often the harbingers of gentrification, but

> > they are usually loath to acknowledge it.

>

>

> That's because they're ashamed that lots of really

> dull people have moved in trying to bask in their

> cool light.

>

> ED had a different gentrification, it was never

> really cool.

[Seabag]

A bit of Louisa was OK, fun even. But a lot of Louisa got boringly trolly like

So she got her comeupance and was 'lounged'

Sadly she couldn't loose face and stropped off (she's curtain twitching the forum as we speak)

*waves*

Brixton's reclaim is mainly by the railway landlord Network Rail, it's happening all along the line though

[healey]

The gentrification of Brixton and ED are exactly the same thing. London is a growing city and there is high demand for Zone 2 living.

As for "lines being crossed", nothing is going to stop it happening. Nothing.

[Otta]

healey Wrote:

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> The gentrification of Brixton and ED are exactly

> the same thing. London is a growing city and there

> is high demand for Zone 2 living.

Except ED is Zone 3. I disagree that they're the same thing, in terms of what the areas were before (Brixton being a cultural hub as Jeremy said earlier). But yeah, the desired effect is the same, not just in London but in cities world wide.

A while ago I was watching the Foo Fighters Sonic Highways series, and there was an interview with guitarist Gary Clark, Jr. from Austin, Texas. He was saying police had started coming in to gigs with decibel meters and telling them to turn down because neighbours in new developments would be complaining about the noise. It changes the character of a place. Just one example, but I remember watching it and thinking about an article I'd read around that time saying exactly the same thing about clubs in London which had been there ages.

Can't find the clip, but here's a thing about it

http://www.rollingstone.com/music/news/q-a-dave-grohl-on-austins-musical-wizards-gentrification-20141108

Progress starts to suck when it takes all the soul out of a place.

> As for "lines being crossed", nothing is going to

> stop it happening. Nothing.

Agree.

Doesn't mean it's always a good thing though.

[BrandNewGuy]

Otta Wrote:

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> healey Wrote:

> --------------------------------------------------

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> > The gentrification of Brixton and ED are

> exactly

> > the same thing. London is a growing city and

> there

> > is high demand for Zone 2 living.

>

>

> Except ED is Zone 3.

No, it's Zone 2.

[Otta]

Really?

That's changed then, because zone 2 used to end at goose green roundabout. Everything from the EDT onwards was zone 3. I'm talking about the 90s. Wonder when that changed.

[Otta]

Ah, that would mean the station was always zone 2. And buses don't do zones these days.

When I was a kid you'd be in zone 3 bus wise if you boarded on Lordship Lane.

[BrandNewGuy]

Yes indeed - lots of people used to get caught out on the buses if they knew the station was Zone 2.

[fortified]

At one point what is now the North Cross Road stop (towards town) was Z3 and Goose Green (ditto) was Z2 because I used to walk the difference instead of paying for it.

As for Louisa, I found her amusing every single time she said the same thing. And I speak as somebody she dissed when I'd have bet money she would've agreed with me. But, y'know, nothing a bit of therapy couldn't fix.

[badger]

This made me think - especially how and where I spend money

http://everydayfeminism.com/2014/10/9-ways-privileged-gentrification/

[Earl Aelfheah]

Areas change.. Brixton was once a pretty upmarket neighbourhood, then it wasn't, now it's kind of mixed and becoming more affluent. I don't like the idea of protesting about people moving into your neighbourhood, because they're different to you.

[Earl Aelfheah]

Otta Wrote:

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> brezzo Wrote:

> --------------------------------------------------

> -----

> > Squatters, anarchists, alternative life

> stylists

> > are often the harbingers of gentrification, but

> > they are usually loath to acknowledge it.

>

>

> That's because they're ashamed that lots of really

> dull people have moved in trying to bask in their

> cool light.

>

> ED had a different gentrification, it was never

> really cool.

I've met some pretty dull squatters, anarchists and crusties in my time.

[Earl Aelfheah]

See police have used CS gas on some of the protesters. Apparently Foxtons had its window smashed.

[Robert Poste's Child]

I was in Brixton at the time. The march was escorted by a heavy police presence and it completely disrupted transport for a while as the road was full of buses that had been emptied. A lot of weed and alcohol - I saw several people obviously off their faces wobbling into police vans and nearly getting themselves run over. A particularly nice touch was the people at the back stickering everything they passed, chucking the paper on the floor as they peeled it off. Because that's how you show you care about the area you live in, isn't it. Not sure how representative they were of the local population either as most were white and I passed several non-white locals who were grumbling about it. Ironically, some actually appeared to be the same post-gentrification incomers they were protesting against.

[TheCat]

Brixton tube station......

[TheCat]

When I got out the tube.........Protest against profit.......fark off........

[keekybreeks]

what are you on about ?