Lions...Saturday

[bignumber5]

painful. just painful. Brave show, some decent opportunities, some taken some not. the bok tries demonstrated that they were the better side, lions heart took them a long way. my MOTM agrees with the official one - I thought Simon Shaw gave it absolutely everything.

Another nail in the coffin for the continuation of the lions tours.

And I can see the whitewash coming...

[matthew123]

I think the Lions have battled real hard, been very competitive, if anything they're restored much pride after the Clive Woodward debacle. If anything it'd be great to have the Lions tour every 3 years rather than 4.

[Narnia]

JetSetWilly Wrote:

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> o,gara,s a dickhead, as was shown in his antics

> when the ireland team had a royal reception in

> belfast last month. he was an absolute disgrace,

> and personally if i was in charge of irish rugby,

> he wouldn,t play for the country again. and before

> there,s any comparisons with johnson and mary

> robinson, what o,gara did dosent even come into

> the same league.

What did he do in Belfast, I didn't hear or read about it?

[Mick Mac]

matthew123 Wrote:

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> I think the Lions have battled real hard, been

> very competitive, if anything they're restored

> much pride after the Clive Woodward debacle. If

> anything it'd be great to have the Lions tour

> every 3 years rather than 4.

I'm with Matt - much better showing than the Woodward effort. I think if you ignore the Woodward NZ tour most games have been very competitive.

[matthew123]

O'Gara shook the Queen's hand with one hand in his pocket - when introduced at a royal reception to mark Ireland winning the Grand Slam. O'Gara then proceeded to place both hands in pockets whilst talking with the Queen.

[Narnia]

Ah since reading about it here I've been doing some research. The attached just goes to show how comfortable Ronan was with his hands in his pockets and how far the relationship between the countries has come since the 1920's!

Why not to have your hands in your pockets

[Narnia]

JetSetWilly Wrote:

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> o,gara,s a dickhead, as was shown in his antics

> when the ireland team had a royal reception in

> belfast last month. he was an absolute disgrace,

> and personally if i was in charge of irish rugby,

> he wouldn,t play for the country again. and before

> there,s any comparisons with johnson and mary

> robinson, what o,gara did dosent even come into

> the same league.

Not in the same league at all. What Johnson did was far worse IMO.

[Mick Mac]

O'Gara shook the Queen's hand with one hand in his pocket - when introduced at a royal reception to mark Ireland winning the Grand Slam. O'Gara then proceeded to place both hands in pockets whilst talking with the Queen.

Shocking behaviour. And very relevant to this thread.

[david_carnell]

On a different note, after the dirty tactics used by SA in the last test does anyone think a dose of retribution wouldn't go amiss?

[Narnia]

So long as its not eye gouging which is the lowest of the low, I think this test will explode into open warfare. We may leave SA beaten but I'd like them to remember us.

[Mick Mac]

i have just heard willie john mc bride is being drafted in for the final test. They still remember him.

[david_carnell]

99!

[Brendan]

david_carnell Wrote:

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> On a different note, after the dirty tactics used

> by SA in the last test does anyone think a dose of

> retribution wouldn't go amiss?

One of the Springboks? less endearing but more entertaining idiosyncrasies is that they often start to play dirty when things aren?t going quite how they want them.

Not one of their finer features unfortunately but like I said, entertaining.

I do hope the Lions don?t get any silly ideas about retribution though. Half of h the poor buggers are already in hospital we don?t want to see the rest of them end up there too.

[david_carnell]

I wouldn't call blindness as a result of gouging entertaining but nonetheless....

....we'd give your boys one hell of a beating!

[JetSetWilly]

Sorry declan, there's no comparison. Johnsons actions for which I will despise him for until my dying day was done in the heat of battle, what o'gara did was pure insolence and showed a complete lack of regard and disrespect for a head of state, maybe not his, but certainly of some of his fellow team mates. He is in my eyes a disgrace to his and my nation.

[Mick Mac]

I think some people put their hands in their pockets when they are nervous - I would hope it was nothing more than that JSW. However if it was pre determined as you suggest then I agree it was wrong.

[Narnia]

There isn't one iota of evidence that O'Gara deliberately meant to offend HM. They fact that he had his hands in his pockets means what exactly? Remember the fuss when Bush I think actually put his hand on her shoulder. So what, she has a title but don't tell me she isn't human like the rest of us. Johnson did what he did prior to kick off and THAT was obviously deliberate. Shame my u tube clip didn't generate any mirth which goes to show how bloody seriously you take something that isn't.

[Brendan]

I must confess I have no idea what this barney is all about. Who did what and when?

[Brendan]

david_carnell Wrote:

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> ....we'd give your boys one hell of a beating!

My dad's bigger than your dad, nah nah nahnah nah.

[david_carnell]

Is he? Oh. Right. In that case I'll quietly back away, head bowed.

[Mick Mac]

Brendan Wrote:

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> I must confess I have no idea what this barney is

> all about. Who did what and when?

Ronan O'Gara had his hands in his pockets when talking to the Queen. That's about the height of it I'm afraid.

[Brendan]

What did Johnson do?

[matthew123]

Martin Johnson lined the England team up where the Irish always stand in Dublin - instead of Ireland lining up in Away position, O'Driscall matched them down to the left of England but where the red carpet did not extend. This meant the female guest of honour had to tred on the rugby field rather than the red carpet when meeting the Irish.. it was a bit of a fiasco!

 

[matthew123]

Lions team for Saturday is

Lions: Kearney; Monye, Bowe, Flutey, S Williams; S Jones, Phillips; Sheridan, Rees, Vickery, Shaw, O'Connell, Worsley, M Williams, Heaslip.

Replacements: Ford, Hayes, Alun-Wyn Jones, Wallace, Croft, Ellis, Hook.

[Mick Mac]

3-0.