The Steve T and Tone whatever thread

[CrystalClear]

I have decided to remove this entire post. I apologise that it went on too long. - The Administrator

[daizie]

you should be banned for your foul mouth, end of .

[CrystalClear]

oh. it is quite late, but yes, I did manage far too many symbols rather than coherent argument.

[LegalEagle-ish]

They are the two most offensive posters on the Forum in my opinion and hijack threads to spout their poison on a regular basis, so yes, if people like Snorky can get banned for far less, i'd ban Steve and Tony.

[Administrator]

LegalEagle-ish Wrote:

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> if people like Snorky can get banned for far less, i'd ban Steve and Tony.

Snorky was not banned, he asked for his account to be deleted.

If you find posts or people offensive please report them to me (click the "Report This Message" link under the message), all reports are in confidence and the management will keep an eye on this particular issue and act if necessary.

[LegalEagle-ish]

Done.

If anyone else thinks they should not be allowed to spout their unsubstantiated bigotted views, please let admin know.

[Marmora Man]

I believe in the freedom of speech position - that it's better to confront that to ban. Puerile arguments put forward by anyone (whether racist, bigoted or simply foolish) are invariably shot down by well reasoned and articulate opponents.

Shame and ridicule are far stronger weapons in the fight against bigotry than banning can ever be.

[SeanMacGabhann]

Normally agreed MM - but with our Tone, that really hasn't worked has it?

[Brendan]

There?s plenty of unsubstantiated rubbish posted on here from all sides of all arguments.

In fact I would say, unless you are very selective, 90% of everything you hear or read is unsubstantiated rubbish regardless of what type of ideology it supports.*

Censorship is just bigotry in a different hat in my opinion.

*There is obviously a distinct possibility that this is unsubstantiated rubbish.

[Tony.London Suburbs]

CrystalClear Wrote:

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> oh. it is quite late, but yes, I did manage far

> too many symbols rather than coherent argument.

Au contraire.

Your well-reasoned, thoughtful, insightful, loquacious and cogent thoughts have made me re-appraise my view, both on the Subject matter, and, indeed, in life, generally.

Forgive me if I do not insult or belittle you in reciprocation but I always leave that to the articulate other side of the Debate.

Off to work now.

[????]

What, because 'we' don't like their views. I think this thread shoule be removed. Liberal-lite censorship at it's worse. Tone bangs on and on and gets on my nerves from time to time but there are some truths in there for largely white middle-class SE22. Disgraceful idea on any levels.

[woofmarkthedog]

Oh really! are we talking TLS tone ?

Funnily I have never read a whole TLS rant,not ever...toooooo many CAPITOLS so it would be a bit like eating a whole loaf of bread dry.....simply impossible daaahling!

With SteveT , its simply fishing isn't it? I mean he is a piloc but I think he knows that and plays on it.

We are to blame as much by engaging with their crappy arguments

If you want a ban report the offensive material to " The Big A"

Simple really , wipe your mealy mouths & move on.

W**F

[SeanMacGabhann]

Before you jump to the liberal-lite consensus accusations quids, it's worth bearing in mind only 2 people have suggested/agreed to it, and Admin isn't taking any steps in that direction that I can see

But yeah, I'm not sure any thread saying X or Y should be banned should exist - so let's click on the "report this message" button then

[KalamityKel]

Can we stop this thread now?

[SeanMacGabhann]

Report it Kel - Admin has already read it but best bet is always to report stuff using the button

[daizie]

If Tony gets banned this whole forum is a joke . And anyone with any sense can see that .

[KalamityKel]

Admin will be getting fed up of me soon... :))

[SteveT]

CrystalClear

perhaps you would like to point out the dreadful prose which appalls you most and I will see if it can be ammended.

LegalEagle-ish

I now realise why you "deafed" me in the park on Friday morning. I have always enjoyed your postings and have never had any intention to upset you or any individual, but the government and their policies is fair game.

Perhaps you too could point out the worst bits of hijacked threads that got to you.

[Huguenot]

With Brendan on this one.

Who is to say... etc.

[bignumber5]

Public demand for someone to get banned because, generally speaking, every single opinion he expresses is offensive to someone does NOT a banning make, it makes an intolerant, clique-y, possibly bullying forum. It turns it into a farce the likes of which the British tabloids would be proud of. Brendan is absolutely right, you don't ban the BNP because every group, however extreme, is entitled to a voice. You either ignore them, or you confront them, depending on the type of person that you are.

The reality is that while virtually everything certain bilious posters write fills me with rage, they are still valid points of view, however distgusting to ones higher sensibilities. See people who get your hackles up as a sort of public reaffirming of your left-wing-liberal faith if you feel like fighting, and not worth your breath if you don't. I flit between the 2, mostly because if they got banned then it'd be the fault of the wooly forum with it's failure to see it how it is, and possibly the fault of the forums ethnic minority members: result, no insight gained, bigottry reaffirmed by spin. Debate, argue, call on the out and out nastiness and call it what it is. Or just ignore.

So No, I don't think anyone here should be banned.

For those who genuinely feel that there has been overstepping of the mark, rather than sensationalist "ban them" campaigns, use the "report post" function whenever you feel he has genuinely offended, explaining your reasons why. If there's case to answer, admin will answer it. But I don't see admin giving in on this thread, because to grant this request would be daft.

[Keef]

I just think it's hilarious that CC posted this at half 2 in the morning.

I can confirm it was the housing and immigration thread that led to this thread.

[DaveR]

From banning to book-burning is a shorter step than you think

Offensiveness (other than direct personal attacks) should never be a good enough reason.

[bigbadwolf]

I think that to post a thread requesting people to be banned is in itself a sign of defeat. I also think that if the adminisrators were to pander to the requests/demands of some calling for others to be banned then the EDF, a forum that I and many others genuinely enjoy, would collapse from within.

I'm not really that familiar with SteveT's posts but I find Tony's predictable. Fair enough, he likes to provoke but he is often quite civil in his replies to some very nasty attacks. May I also remind some that this is Britain, not the Soviet Union and free speech is something that this country holds in great regard.

[david_carnell]

What BigNumber5 said.

I can't really stand either of their postings but I'm certainly against any banning.

[jollybaby]

Hear hear- if everyone on this forum had the same opinion then there wouldn't be any point in having a forum at all.