Sea cow closed

[Jeremy]

Yes I also seem to remember it was a chippy before. Seem to recall it was quite good.

[rabbitears]

Meat production is also hugely carbon-emitting.

[Seabag]

Oooohh I saw the door open today, then a man walked through it

Exciting times

😐

[Alex K]

DulwichFox Wrote:

> It's more to do with the type of meat we are

> eating.. and how much..

> A lot more of the meat we all eat is processed..

> and we have been eating a lot more of it..

> Bacon, Ham, Sausages, Chorizo, Salami, Pate,

> Bowel Cancer is mainly found in people over 60 so

> we are now the first generation to reach that age

> with

> a history of eating processed meats..

>

>

> Foxy

Oh, for Heaven's sake. What twaddle. What sort of meat was available except at butchering time before cold storage and deep freezers were invented? Processed, salted, smoked, nitrite-loaded hams and bacon for the rich and ditto sausages (scraps bulked out with rusk) for you and me. For hundreds of years. Foxy, you often are entertainingly misinformed, but really! This one takes the (sausage and) biscuit.

[Angelina]

I'll take your biscuit, and raise you a pork chop

[DulwichFox]

Alex K Wrote:

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> DulwichFox Wrote:

> > It's more to do with the type of meat we are

> > eating.. and how much..

> > A lot more of the meat we all eat is

> processed..

> > and we have been eating a lot more of it..

> > Bacon, Ham, Sausages, Chorizo, Salami, Pate,

>

> > Bowel Cancer is mainly found in people over 60

> so

> > we are now the first generation to reach that

> age

> > with

> > a history of eating processed meats..

> >

> >

> > Foxy

>

> Oh, for Heaven's sake. What twaddle. What sort

> of meat was available except at butchering time

> before cold storage and deep freezers were

> invented? Processed, salted, smoked,

> nitrite-loaded hams and bacon for the rich and

> ditto sausages (scraps bulked out with rusk) for

> you and me. For hundreds of years. Foxy, you

> often are entertainingly misinformed, but really!

> This one takes the (sausage and) biscuit.

Well hundreds of years ago most people did not live long enough to die of Bowel Cancer and anyone who might of done

would not of been diagnosed as such.

..and it's not my Twaddle... It's B.M.A Twaddle... but i'm sure you know better..

DulwichFox

[JoeLeg]

Alex K Wrote:

> >

> >

> > Foxy

>

> Oh, for Heaven's sake. What twaddle. What sort

> of meat was available except at butchering time

> before cold storage and deep freezers were

> invented? Processed, salted, smoked,

> nitrite-loaded hams and bacon for the rich and

> ditto sausages (scraps bulked out with rusk) for

> you and me. For hundreds of years. Foxy, you

> often are entertainingly misinformed, but really!

> This one takes the (sausage and) biscuit.

Look, sorry, and I hate to back up the local curmudgeon, but Foxy is right on this one. There is a pretty damning link between processed meats and cancer risk.

What your position fails to account for is that A) for most of those hundreds of years people ate much, much less meat, and B) what processed meat they did eat was natural - natural flavourings, natural, spices and seasonings, natural cases etc.

Now people eat a lot more meat - far too much in the western world, frankly - and a lot of what they do eat is often too cheap to be as good as it should be. This is very true of the processed stuff; all that salami, cured ham, reformed chicken and so on? Packed with nasty stuff. And over time that does us no good at all.

Like most other stuff, moderation is your friend, and when you do eat it, pay more and get the better stuff; chances are it's less dangerous.

[singalto]

I love it! All this discussion about meat consumption on a thread about a fish restaurant!

[DulwichFox]

singalto Wrote:

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> I love it! All this discussion about meat

> consumption on a thread about a fish restaurant!

No.. It was about A fish restaurant that has closed down and is being taken over by one selling primarily selling meat.

There was a diversion about meat consumption..

DulwichFox.

[Angelina]

natural manoeuvre into the impact of eating meat on your health based on how it is produced, impact on the environment and largely hidden horrors of factory farming, as well as the Ethical stance is the new restaurant adheres to in terms of supply.

Sensible organic alternatives reduce antibiotics, fat-inducing and other drugs that are commonplace in mass produced factory animals - and the circle that comes back to supply/ choices/ health/ ethics....

[Jeremy]

Yep fox is def right about processed meat being carcinogenic (however, I don't think a decent quality burger falls into the "processed meat" category).

[DulwichFox]

Jeremy Wrote:

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> Yep fox is def right about processed meat being

> carcinogenic (however, I don't think a decent

> quality burger falls into the "processed meat"

> category).

ALL Red Meat is now concidered carcinogenic what ever the quality..

Don't get me wrong.. I do still eat it myself..

Even as I write I am waiting the results of tests for the very subject we have discussed here..

Hence my concern..

Foxy..

[Sue]

DulwichFox Wrote:

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> ALL Red Meat is now concidered carcinogenic what

> ever the quality..

>

> Don't get me wrong.. I do still eat it myself..

> Even as I write I am waiting the results of tests

> for the very subject we have discussed here..

> Hence my concern..

>

Fingers crossed your results are OK, Foxy.

[Abe_froeman]

Good news for Meat Liquor - a cooked quarter pounder beefburger contains 78g of red meat according to the NHS- only 8g more than their recommended daily allowance of red and processed meat... And they also say "If you eat more than 90g of red and processed meat on a certain day, you can eat less on the following days or have meat-free days, so that over time your consumption is not more than 70g per day on average."

http://www.nhs.uk/Livewell/Goodfood/Pages/red-meat.aspx

[DulwichFox]

Sue Wrote:

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> DulwichFox Wrote:

> --------------------------------------------------

> -----

>

> > ALL Red Meat is now concidered carcinogenic

> what

> > ever the quality..

> >

> > Don't get me wrong.. I do still eat it myself..

>

> > Even as I write I am waiting the results of

> tests

> > for the very subject we have discussed here..

> > Hence my concern..

> >

>

> Fingers crossed your results are OK, Foxy.

Everyone over 60 should get tested every 2 years automatically.. Done by post..

This was an extra test because I lost 5 lb during dry Jan. and my doctor did not agree it was due to not drinking

for a month..

Seems a bit extreem caution..

Foxy

[LondonMix]

Hope you are okay fox. If you were last tested 2 years ago you should be okay as the polyps take 10 years to grow from memory (hence why early screening and detection are so important).

[Sue]

I'd say not drinking for a month could easily result in losing five pounds fox, but it's good that your GP is being cautious.

[eastdulwichhenry]

Sad news about the Sea Cow. Lordship Lane is sadly losing its charm as a haven of independent businesses, and becoming chain central. I assume these Meat Liquor guys are a chain.

[Mick Mac]

Best wishes foxy - hope all is ok.

[LondonMix]

Not really. They started as a pop up in Peckham a few years ago and while they have a few branches now, they are a small business. Most of the long-time businesses in the area have more than one branch including Blue Mountain, Blackbird Bakery, Lordship Lane Carpets, Just Williams and countless others.

eastdulwichhenry Wrote:

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> Sad news about the Sea Cow. Lordship Lane is sadly

> losing its charm as a haven of independent

> businesses, and becoming chain central. I assume

> these Meat Liquor guys are a chain.