Jump to content

Recommended Posts

Declan, thank you, I dont take it personally, however I was brought up in a Italian/Spanish household, the saint on the mantlepiece, in the Kitchen and in our hearts was padre pio, so I have come to look upon him as a member of my family. I understand why DM feels bitter, a lot of the catholics do about the whole horrible situtaion, however DM can have a bit more respect in her posts, I feel she can be insensitive at times and this time i have actually spoken up.

monica Wrote:

-------------------------------------------------------

> Declan, thank you, I dont take it personally,

> however I was brought up in a Italian/Spanish

> household, the saint on the mantlepiece, in the

> Kitchen and in our hearts was padre pio, so I have

> come to look upon him as a member of my family. I

> understand why DM feels bitter, a lot of the

> catholics do about the whole horrible situtaion,

> however DM can have a bit more respect in her

> posts, I feel she can be insensitive at times and

> this time i have actually spoken up.



I am not in anyway religious, but even I know that you pray to the figure of Padre Pio and not worship it as an idol.


I think you are best leaving the hysteria to others who appear to be having an emotional breakdown over the subject.

No I don't as a matter of fact ( spending the first three years of my life in a catholic orphanage hasn't warped me that much) but what i do find distasteful is a person being ridiculed for their beliefs from on high.

Oh and we don't welcome bully's in my shop so your presence wont be missed.

dulwichmum Wrote:

-------------------------------------------------------

> Do the newspapers disrespect you too sweetie? And

> the television stations, when they publish the

> facts about Padre Pio? Bless! You should get out

> more.

>

> The world is not flat, and evolution must blow

> your mind! How do you reconcile your blind faith

> in Padre Pio with the popes thoughts on the

> subject (I dare you to click on Huguenot's link),

> or the fact that it is one of the ten commandments

> that you should not put false Gods before the

> Lord?



Dulwichmum you are simply viscious, you dont know me, so dont comment. Thank god not everyone is like you. I cant understand what has happened, I use to find you funny, however now i find you Viscious and I cannot be bothered with you

vinceayre Wrote:

-------------------------------------------------------

> No I don't as a matter of fact ( spending the

> first three years of my life in a catholic

> orphanage hasn't warped me that much) but what i

> do find distasteful is a person being ridiculed

> for their beliefs from on high.

> Oh and we don't welcome bully's in my shop so your

> presence wont be missed.


Thank you Vince for the support, That is why I really dont post on threads like this, because of people like DM, Ghastly

But the point is all about blind faith ignoring presented facts and Monica appears to be doing that very Catholic thing of ignoring facts presented to her based on a blind faith. Why is pointing out the truth considered to be insensitive?

I think there is a huge difference between commenting on a the systemic failure of an institution and essentially mocking an individuals beliefs.


Doing it in a fairly contemptuous and superior manner, to me, calls into question the character of that person.


As for facts, in this case all I have read are subjective observations, which you are free to call facts, I suppose.

I think she was complaining about your general lack of sensitivity towards and prejudice viewpoint of a specific group of people.


Would you say this:


LegalEagle-ish Wrote:

-------------------------------------------------------

> Monica appears to be doing

> that very Jewish thing of ignoring facts

> presented to her based on a blind faith. Why is

> pointing out the truth considered to be

> insensitive?


LegalEagle-ish Wrote:

-------------------------------------------------------

> Monica appears to be doing

> that very Muslim thing of ignoring facts

> presented to her based on a blind faith. Why is

> pointing out the truth considered to be

> insensitive?



You can?t bang on about acceptance and tolerance in one breath and then be blatantly prejudice in another.

Legal there are ways to point the truth out, as I have been saying throughout my posts, I do not ignore, what has happened I find it sickening, unfortunately the point I am making has been lost. Its the posts by DM I have the problem with, A lot of the posts on here of course have been negative, but done politely. DM has been rude and viscious, I do not agree with this, I always avoid posts like this because of the sensitivity issues, however I felt I needed to say something,we are all adults at the end of the day.
I know something about the Catholic way of doing things because the impact the Catholic church had on my mum was pretty severe, but I don't have enough knowledge about Judaism or Islam to make similar comments about their institutions.

The respect for beliefs thing is a tricky one.

I'm generally inclined to live and let live, but where does one draw the lines?


Alot of people were upset by discussion of Michael Jackson, they didn't believe he did those things, and requested we have some respect for their opinion and feelings which was just annattempt tomsuppress debate because it made them uncomfortable?


If someone I know is going to neuter themselves before dying to transcend to a spaceship, should

I try to intercede or respect their beliefs?

I believe a Jehovas Witness may allow themselves to die rather than get transfusion, but the state will intercede on behalf of their children rather than respect their beliefs and wishes.


Padre Pio as a family member is of course harmless, but when the pope thought he was a fraud shouldn't that at least ring an alarm bell somewhere, and as someone pointed out, this unquestioning belief and respect is exactly what has allowed so many priests and nuns to conduct their culture of abuse (I think taking abuse on a large sliding scale from bullying through to sexual predation, the report says that one in four Irish children is thought to be affected) to continue in a culture of impunity.


I don't see how pointing out the parallels in the psychological equivalence is disrespecting faith, merely pointing out a valid point of few surely?


Ill refrain from bringing heopathy into this though...



...



...



...doh!!!

LegalEagle-ish Wrote:

-------------------------------------------------------

> I know something about the Catholic way of doing

> things because the impact the Catholic church had

> on my mum was pretty severe, but I don't have

> enough knowledge about Judaism or Islam to make

> similar comments about their institutions.


So? Saying this


LegalEagle-ish Wrote:

-------------------------------------------------------

> Monica appears to be doing

> that very catholic thing of ignoring facts

> presented to her based on a blind faith?.


Is making a statement about a person?s character based on their faith. That is blind prejudice you may as well be casting aspersions based on race or sex.


Personally I don?t give a dam about the catholic church or any of the others but I know prejudice when I see it.

Why would we be different Brendan?


As for beliefs - If Lady Mac suddenly decides she is becoming a scientologist, do I respect her belief? or do I understand that she is about to be indoctrinated and told to cut off non-believers (which is one of their doctrines)

Create an account or sign in to comment

You need to be a member in order to leave a comment

Create an account

Sign up for a new account in our community. It's easy!

Register a new account

Sign in

Already have an account? Sign in here.

Sign In Now
  • Latest Discussions

    • Our cellar was damp constantly and we were told that there were many underground streams in Dulwich (which eventually end up in the river in Belair Park),  Agree it is connected  to the water table. We had all old plaster removed from walls and replastered, 
    • Andy did a good job for me doing up a flat - bedrooms, bathroom and kitchen for a very reasonable rate. He’s a top notch painter and decorator and can turn his hand to many other trades too. I’d highly recommend him - nothing was too much trouble.
    • A ramp would not be suitable for Love Dulwich. Gradient would be too steep, also length of ramp would go into road. We considered a ramp in the house to get down 2 steps (internal) but an OT who measured said we would need a clear space of around 9 feet plus because of the height of steps.
    • Over the past few months, Jan from Silver Fern Landscapes has completed several projects for us.  (He was recommended by a neighbour.)  We have been very pleased with his work.  Some details are below: Built and replaced several trellis fence panels.  In one part it was very complicated due to a large vine that had grown into/around the trellis.  He was able to save the vine, having unpicked it from the old trellis and then securing it to the new.  The vine went into a bit of shock, but is now thriving. Repaired the top frame to our garden side-return door, replacing rotten wood, and repainting the new to match. Repaired the loose tiles in our front walkway Along the way, during his visits, Jan also gave advice on various topics, such as how to best care for: our recently re-planted lawn, a tree that lost a large branch, and the vine mentioned above.  His working style is straight forward...he shows up when he says he will, discusses what needs to be done, provides timely quotes, completes the work as agreed, and sends an invoice. No drama, no hassle.  We will definitely be calling on Jan again when future garden-related projects arise! silverfernlondon.co.uk/silver_fern_landscapes.html
Home
Events
Sign In

Sign In



Or sign in with one of these services

Search
×
    Search In
×
×
  • Create New...