Mick Mac Posted January 5, 2016 Share Posted January 5, 2016 Chains are just successful outlets - you know, the ones that have customers. Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/88783-seacowmeatliquor-main-section/page/2/#findComment-944568 Share on other sites More sharing options...
miga Posted January 5, 2016 Share Posted January 5, 2016 Morleys and Franco Manca. Iceland and Waitrose. Costa and Taylor St. Baristas. As Charlie Brooker once said, a meal is just a shit you haven't had yet. Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/88783-seacowmeatliquor-main-section/page/2/#findComment-944576 Share on other sites More sharing options...
LondonMix Posted January 5, 2016 Share Posted January 5, 2016 I think the issue people (including myself) sometimes have with chains are three things:1. A lot of chains end up being quite bland as part of the success of a mega chain is appealing to a really broad audience2. Knowing the proprietors in a world that is generally full of large faceless corporations feels quaint in a way that people crave as its missing from so much of everyday life. A lot of our lives aren't on a human scale anymore (even at the GP how often can you see the same doctor!) and given human beings lived in a totally different way for much of human history, there is an odd psychological craving for that closeness. 3. Its nice to feel that everywhere has its own character. Its why people like travelling etc. When you feel like you see the same thing everywhere you go and there is nothing new to discover or unique it can feel oppressively monotonous. These days, retail is much more about experiences and this plays into it as well.For all these reasons I do tend to support my local small businesses and why I do love ED's retail character. Nevertheless, I flat out love some chains. I'd love a Nando's to open nearby! We all know Louisa wants a Space NK. And I certainly wouldn't begrudge any small business owner (and let's get real, 10 small outlets is still peanuts) their growing success if their product is good. Some business owners get point number 3 well- ToastED, The Flying Pig, and Yamma Mommo are all part of restaurant groups but each restaurant in the group has its own name and a different menu (for the Flying Pig its owned by the same people who run the 3 Locale restaurants in London). I prefer that approach though it obviously doesn't allow you to capitalize off of your previous success as easily. Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/88783-seacowmeatliquor-main-section/page/2/#findComment-944622 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seacow Posted January 5, 2016 Share Posted January 5, 2016 We've heard it from the horses mouth that it's a permanent pop up doing filet-o-fish with a swimming pool in the basement. There are plans for a chain, a crowdfunded mini bond followed by a swift exit. Good luck to them we say. Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/88783-seacowmeatliquor-main-section/page/2/#findComment-944635 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peckhamrye Posted January 5, 2016 Share Posted January 5, 2016 *Like* Seacow x Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/88783-seacowmeatliquor-main-section/page/2/#findComment-944640 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sue Posted January 5, 2016 Share Posted January 5, 2016 LondonMix Wrote:------------------------------------------------------->I'd love a Nando's to open nearby!There's one in Denmark Hill! Not that far .....> (for the Flying Pig its owned by the same people> who run the 3 Locale restaurants in London). I> prefer that approach though it obviously doesn't> allow you to capitalize off of your previous> success as easily.Wasn't the Flying Pig called Locale previously? I didn't realise it was owned by the same people, or possibly I've forgotten.I imagine they changed their name because the local Locale ( :) ) was not exactly successful if memory serves, so they didn't want to continue to be associated with that name, which is the other side of the coin I suppose ..... Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/88783-seacowmeatliquor-main-section/page/2/#findComment-944714 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeremy Posted January 5, 2016 Share Posted January 5, 2016 Is this definitely true? That the Flying Pig is still owned by the Locale owners? News to me. Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/88783-seacowmeatliquor-main-section/page/2/#findComment-944719 Share on other sites More sharing options...
LondonMix Posted January 5, 2016 Share Posted January 5, 2016 Yes, it is 100% true. You can ask the people who work there, they are very open about it Jeremy.Sue, I think they changed the name because it was a totally different concept from the 3 other Locale's they run. They have always been super open about the situation. I remember when I asked about when they took over and my server said it was the same people but as Locale wasn't working well in the ED branch they wanted to experiment with something new. I think they tested it out at first as a pop up type thing at one of the local Dulwich festivals (maybe Goose Green). Some of the history of this is definitely on the forum.I have been going senile lately but I'm pretty sure I'm remembering this correctly. Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/88783-seacowmeatliquor-main-section/page/2/#findComment-944738 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seabag Posted January 5, 2016 Share Posted January 5, 2016 Flying Pig is owned by LocaleSea cow will now sell burgersNext? Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/88783-seacowmeatliquor-main-section/page/2/#findComment-944797 Share on other sites More sharing options...
HonaloochieB Posted January 5, 2016 Share Posted January 5, 2016 A Wimpy would be utterly awesome. I mean awesome! If it turned out to be a Wimpy 'Bar' then ooo...My name's on the the first Chocolate Bowler. Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/88783-seacowmeatliquor-main-section/page/2/#findComment-944803 Share on other sites More sharing options...
HonaloochieB Posted January 5, 2016 Share Posted January 5, 2016 And the first thirty Benders are on me. Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/88783-seacowmeatliquor-main-section/page/2/#findComment-944805 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seabag Posted January 6, 2016 Share Posted January 6, 2016 HonaloochieB Wrote:-------------------------------------------------------> And the first thirty Benders are on me.I'll take one for the teamXxGreat to see you're back H Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/88783-seacowmeatliquor-main-section/page/2/#findComment-944836 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeremy Posted January 6, 2016 Share Posted January 6, 2016 How the devil are you, HB? Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/88783-seacowmeatliquor-main-section/page/2/#findComment-944843 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Otta Posted January 6, 2016 Share Posted January 6, 2016 LondonMix Wrote:-------------------------------------------------------> Our own Blue Mountain cafe have a branch in Penge> and in Gypsy Hill. And Sydenham. Unless that closed. Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/88783-seacowmeatliquor-main-section/page/2/#findComment-945055 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seabag Posted January 6, 2016 Share Posted January 6, 2016 Otta Wrote:-------------------------------------------------------> LondonMix Wrote:> --------------------------------------------------> -----> > Our own Blue Mountain cafe have a branch in> Penge> > and in Gypsy Hill. > > > > And Sydenham. Unless that closed.Sydenham BMC is alive and 'haloumi sandwich' kickingIt's greatWhere's the Penge one tho? Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/88783-seacowmeatliquor-main-section/page/2/#findComment-945295 Share on other sites More sharing options...
dc Posted January 7, 2016 Share Posted January 7, 2016 The first Blue Mountain Cafe was on Peckham Rye (the road, not the big open space) - opposite the end of Nigel Road. Very near where lots of new food places have opened recently. Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/88783-seacowmeatliquor-main-section/page/2/#findComment-945320 Share on other sites More sharing options...
DulwichFox Posted January 7, 2016 Share Posted January 7, 2016 ....and one in Forest Hill opposite the Hob. that wasn't there long and is long gone.. Foxy Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/88783-seacowmeatliquor-main-section/page/2/#findComment-945354 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bovine Juice Posted January 7, 2016 Share Posted January 7, 2016 Penge's Blue Mountain Cafe is on Maple Road, Otta. Been there a few years, though originally it was called Loaf for some reason.I agree Penge is an ideal location for any restaurant owner wanting to expand or relocate. The area has changd a heck of a lot with lots of younger 20/30 somethings with young families now here and the two really good places (both Italians - Friends of Flavour and Sicilian Art Pizza) are mobbed every night. The only other options are curry places and loads of takeaways. Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/88783-seacowmeatliquor-main-section/page/2/#findComment-945428 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baggs Posted January 7, 2016 Share Posted January 7, 2016 There is a BMC in Croydon too... They're spreading. Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/88783-seacowmeatliquor-main-section/page/2/#findComment-945482 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mick Mac Posted January 7, 2016 Share Posted January 7, 2016 Chain alert --- avoid, avoid, avoid. Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/88783-seacowmeatliquor-main-section/page/2/#findComment-945495 Share on other sites More sharing options...
LondonMix Posted January 7, 2016 Share Posted January 7, 2016 Exactly Mic Mac. This local ED cafe owner is approaching the dreaded 10 establishment limit that turns him and his cafes from friend to foe... Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/88783-seacowmeatliquor-main-section/page/2/#findComment-945496 Share on other sites More sharing options...
LondonMix Posted January 7, 2016 Share Posted January 7, 2016 By the way, M&S have confirmed the store is due to open in July. James Barber has confirmed it. Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/88783-seacowmeatliquor-main-section/page/2/#findComment-945500 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sue Posted January 7, 2016 Share Posted January 7, 2016 DulwichFox Wrote:-------------------------------------------------------> ....and one in Forest Hill opposite the Hob. that> wasn't there long and is long gone.. > > FoxyWhen was that, Foxy? I don't remember one in Forest Hill? Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/88783-seacowmeatliquor-main-section/page/2/#findComment-945584 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sue Posted January 7, 2016 Share Posted January 7, 2016 dc Wrote:-------------------------------------------------------> The first Blue Mountain Cafe was on Peckham Rye> (the road, not the big open space) - opposite the> end of Nigel Road. Very near where lots of new> food places have opened recently.Really?I always thought the one in North Cross Road was the first one, in the early nineties? Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/88783-seacowmeatliquor-main-section/page/2/#findComment-945585 Share on other sites More sharing options...
???? Posted January 7, 2016 Share Posted January 7, 2016 Agree Sue ('93?)And in my book the first sign of the Gentrification that was to come. Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/88783-seacowmeatliquor-main-section/page/2/#findComment-945590 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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