Jonathan Ross to leave the Beeb

[*Bob*]

*Bob* Wrote:

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> Paul Farrer. Music for The Weakest Link. Several

> million quid.

Still, money can't buy you everything.. as this picture of Mr F demonstrates only too well..

[david_carnell]

Bob, s'funny....that's kinda how I imagined you. Only slightly less happy.

[*Bob*]

He's got a lot to be cheerful about.

[*Bob*]

Though I don't think I'd want the several million quid.. if it came with that jumper.

[giggirl]

Atila,

I've never been on the football thead (amongst others) so if you've got history on other theads then I really wouldn't know - I based my post on this thead alone so any past scraps have gone under my radar. I am truly sorry if you have been unfairly treated though.

If you think you're being baited then don't take the bait - ignore them - it will really wind them up. I have a really lovely friend whom I met on the forum, who is having a really hard time right now. She gave me (and herself) some really good advice last year, she said "to take the fight out of the fight". Brilliant stuff. It's not about turning the other cheek - it's different. If someone means you harm nothing will piss them off more than you refusing to take their malicious bait (in whatever form that bait takes). You win. End of.

[Jah Lush]

That's good advice from the giggirl but if you look back to when the insults start flying. Guess who starts it? I'm sure don't have to tell you the answer.

[Atila Reincarnate]

Giggirl

I meant no offence to you personally. I've just had it up to the back teeth with people who seem to take offence when their views are challenged and then get uppity when you have the audacity to hit back.

[Jah Lush]

Hypocrite.

[Atila Reincarnate]

Jah Lush Wrote:

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> That's good advice from the giggirl but if you look back to when the insults start flying. Guess who starts it? I'm sure don't have to tell you the answer.

Hypocrite.

Pot and kettle eh?

[mockney piers]

Ace of Base 50 million albums, popped by the Spice Girls, an utterly depressing 55 million.

Zig a bloody zig Aaaaaaaaaaah!!! Indeed!

[*Bob*]

Michael Winner. Esure commercials.

Doesn't bear thinking about.

[Atila Reincarnate]

So this thread has little or nothing to do with Ross now?

[Alan Dale]

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[*Bob*]

Atila Reincarnate Wrote:

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> So this thread has little or nothing to do with

> Ross now?

Not for the last three and half pages, no.

[giggirl]

It is all highly subjective because I personally believe that JK Rowling is someone who just got lucky. And don't get me started on Dan Brown. I wouldn't exactly say that they don't work hard for their money but, let me put it this way, they've made a little bit of talent go a long way and they've had some major lucky breaks.

We could all draw up a list of people who we don't think deserve their dosh - there's an idea for a new thread. What's the should be the criteria for getting on the list though? Having little or no talent? Not working hard enough?

[Mick Mac]

Damian Hirst?

[giggirl]

Stella McCartney

[Alan Dale]

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[mockney piers]

I don't know about not deserving it, as you say some people just got lucky and ain't that just sometimes the way.

Good luck to them I say, it's just sometimes a bit depressing that things are held up somehow.

Dan Brown was standard airport fare that somehow got itself talked about enough to be self marketing. JK Rowlong, well

it's not her fault and good luck to her too, it's just if anybody tells me to read it, ofthat I have no imagination, or that it's great she's encouraging reading amongst the young, I'm going to wish very hard for a piano to drop from the sky on to their heads.

[giggirl]

Alan Dale Wrote:

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> Luck is the single biggest determinant in any of

> our lives. It doesn't pay to recognise this as

> it's then hard to be motivated.

>

I agree with you 100% on that. I would add though that sometimes (not always) you make your own luck. Positive thinking, setting things in motion - that sort of thing.

[giggirl]

mockney piers Wrote:

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> I don't know about not deserving it, as you say

> some people just got lucky and ain't that just

> sometimes the way.

> Good luck to them I say, it's just sometimes a bit

> depressing that things are held up somehow.

>

> Dan Brown was standard airport fare that somehow

> got itself talked about enough to be self

> marketing. JK Rowlong, well

> it's not her fault and good luck to her too, it's

> just if anybody tells me to read it, ofthat I have

> no imagination, or that it's great she's

> encouraging reading amongst the young, I'm going

> to wish very hard for a piano to drop from the sky

> on to their heads.

Absolutely. I think the success of JK Rowling's books has done much to put books in the hands of those that did very little reading until she came along. You can't fault that. She got very lucky though - I only read one and it wasn't the best written children's book I've ever read.

[*Bob*]

Alan Dale Wrote:

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> Luck is the single biggest determinant in any of

> our lives.

The perfect fallback position - if you can't be honest and blame yourself.

[Alan Dale]

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[DaveR]

I'm kind of 'meh' about Jonathan Ross, but then I'm not a fan of chat shows and not interested in celebrities, so that's a pretty favourable rating. I'm still not covinced that ?6 million p.a. was a genuine market rate way back when, and it will be interesting to see what offers he gets now - don't expect figures to be published, because I suspect it will be a lot less.

I think the original deal dated from a time when the BBC, despite not having the commercial pressure of the ITV stations, was pushing the market pay for 'talent' ever higher just because they had the dosh and wanted to win the ratings war - not really the best use of public money.

More generally, there's a clear difference between people who make money on a royalty basis, and others. Dan Brown, J K Rowling, Spice Girls, Nickelback? Millions of people freely bought the books/albums, so as much as anyone 'deserves' the dosh, they do. Footballers, on the other hand, benefit from a completely dysfunctional market fuelled by a combination of debt, public subsidy (in Spain and Italy), ego driven patronage and the incurable madness of fans.

[*Bob*]

Alan Dale Wrote:

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> It's just maths *Bob*.

>

> How many near death experiences did you have

> before you penned the theme tune to Gigglebiz? You

> jammy get..

Mud and walls, for sure.