New owners want to carry out a side extension and return - has this happened to you?

[Administrator]

What edcam said.

[first mate]

Soyamocha,

Going back to a much earlier post I am unclear how far the new structure at its widest point will be from yours? If I have understood they want to build up to the boundary but not on it? If it is a party wall structure I would think you would have a say in the finish your side.

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> To Worldwiser

>

> Thanks for that.

>

> We are not inclined to do the extension ourselves

> because we only put in a brand new kitchen last

> year. In addition, unlike our neighbours, we will

> be in occupation - they are living elsewhere, so

> you can imagine what having that work going on in

> our house would be like and living in the

> property. We cannot move elsewhere we have way

> too much stuff.

>

> The measurements on your planning permission are

> about what we would hope to negotiate. Unless

> the wall straddles our

> property, we will not be able to touch it, paint

> it, hang anything on it etc. We did try and

> console ourselves that we could paint it white and

> make is appear lighter but that would appear to be

> out of the question.

>

> The reason I would like my own surveyor is that he

> will be acting for me and me alone. When I call

> him, he will call me back first not the other

> party. Obviously I don't want them to hate me

> but I am not feeling the love for them right now.

>

>

> To be honest, we will have endure months of

> builders, noise, disruption, moving our three full

> sheds, paperwork, calls, emails, dirt, dust, lack

> of privacy, lack of security and possible damage

> because we have quite a old pipes in that area

> under the paving - all to eventually end up with a

> brick wall right outside our kitchen window and an

> additional 40cm of brick is quite a bit when it is

> directly in your face. If all they have to do is

> find ?1k, I don't think that is much to ask.

[fazer71]

*tumbleweed*

[soyamocha3]

I have been extremely grateful for all the advice given on here. I have responded to all the help offered and thanked people for their help. We have found someone who comes highly recommended to assist us with a Party Wall Award when one is required. In the meantime we are waiting to hear what the exact proposals are. We have never experienced such extensive building in such a close proximity before and my initial post was just to get some advice from people who have been there and perhaps could point in the right direction or provide some useful tips and indeed we have been given many so thank you.

Our houses are very close together. We recently went to visit someone who kindly offered to let us see the wrap around extension their neighbours erected. The wall certainly is "in your face" and looks very unnatural. This particular house had the benefit of having a bigger space between the houses, so our wall is likely to look much worse and the proximity be much closer to our kitchen window and door. The house we visited also benefits from patio windows to the garden, whereas we only have a very small window in the kitchen overlooking the garden. We will be experiencing a substantial amount of loss of light and also in the rear of our living room. The second bedroom and bathroom will also lose light from the loft conversion. Once I have more news I will definitely update the post. In the meantime I have thanked those who have taken the time to give advice and post some really useful information. Thank you ps In most cases I have contacted the person direct to thank them which in hindsight was not wise as it looks like I have not bothered. I was not sure if I thanked the person on here direct, whether they would see my thank you so send it to them directly.

[first mate]

SM, thanks for that. Have to say some elderly neighbours had what sounds to be a similar experience of a loft and wrap around conversion double whammy and they found the new wall very oppressive and, indeed, it took a lot of their light.

I think the experience was pretty rough on them and it seened that little consideration was given to the impact on them. I've said it before, but the current thrust to extend, if not about pure added value as investment, is as much about gaining light airy wow factor rooms as it is about needing more space. This would be fine were it not for the fact that where terraced houses are concerned extending to gain light often means taking light from your neighbour. Also fine if your neighbour has the desire and financial means to extend, but if not I can see how it could be experienced as a massive imposition.

[fazer71]

Yes first mate

It's doom doom doom

Oppressing the poor and the elderly

Funny lol

Try to build a house you can?t, try to build an extension you can?t, try to do anything exciting you can?t try to say something positive and progressive you can?t without some sad F?CKwit who has no money is elderly or just a regular NIMBY moron they are fuelled by the bull S$it hangers on (all on a nice little earners).

The OP SM is falling into the trap of believing she will be able to stop or change what her neighbour has been given in planning.

OP

Don?t be fooled into believing you can change anything because if they have planning then all you will do is lengthen the problem build up you own hopes where you have no chance.

I have first hand experience of this when I lived in a flat in Clapham my neighbours were up in arms all wasting time and money on meetings and so much effort trying to stop another neighbour from extending their home.

Sadly I know once you have it in your head and you think you can make a change little will stop you I?ve seen it before. It's a form of cognitive dissonance.

You will argue the light issue from the extension and loft will cause your rear bedroom :the one you never use in the daytime: and the bathroom :which you always turn the lights on so you can look at your face in the mirror: will have 0.0003% less light due to a shadow five - fifteen foot away ? you will drive yourself insane have sleepless nights drive your partner equally insane if you have one .. you may not by the end .. you will drive your fiends & some on here & maybe anyone else who will listen to you .. potty and bore them silly ..

It will all be wasted effort, wasted time, lots of mental anguish, and you will put yourself through all that to achieve the Sq root of nothing.

In Clapham I went through it vicariously, saw first hand how others fuelled by their own ignorance, arrogance and blind selfishness drove themselves crazy.

Hysterical but true.

Same thing has happened on the M&S thread so many people so up themselves they have achieved nothing other than making themselves upset and a also little more crazy.

Self inflicted.

Maybe sell up and move on?

Sometimes these things come along at just the right time for the poor and elderly to get somewhere they?re never going to be a need to become a NIMBY ? the isle of Skye maybe?

As a humanist my advice is/was genuine.

I hope the stress doesn't cause any lasting issues, I hope you don't fall for spending money (you don't sound like you have money to spare) on this.

No need to pm me another thank you message ;)

[LondonMix]

Frazer stop being a troll.

[first mate]

LM ditto.

[fazer71]

I'm not a troll

troll

One who posts a deliberately provocative message to a newsgroup or message board with the intention of causing maximum disruption and argument

I've simply stated facts nothing trolly

HAHAHAHA

Maybe you?d prefer if a local councillor got involved?

Then the local politician would have the opportunity to create an illusion they would make zero difference, all they would actually do raising their own agenda ?helping? locals against the ?terrible? development of other people?s homes.

Illusions

Including the illusion / insult that I?m a troll. LOL

[P.O.U.S.theWonderCat]

I'm sure you are capable of expressing your opinion without being abusive Fazer. You could stop calling people who disagree with you fvckwits for a start. Are you this aggressive in real life, or just as a keyboard warrior?

[fazer71]

I'm absolutely not directing my fvckwit comments at any one individual it's broad and IMHO totally justified.

Anyone with an ounce of common sense & the ability to be objective can see the fvckwits (many politically motivated others are ignorant living in fairyland suffering from cognitive dissonance) for what they are and how they promise they can help, when actually all they do is feed the bullsh$t machine and encouraging others (the na?ve the sad nasty luddites) to belief they are correct to attempt to deny others their legal rights and the opportunity within the rules to develop their homes and improve their lot.

What else would you call these nasty little sh$ts?

[lpool]

Is this the cat flap thread?

[*Bob*]

So Fazer, what you?re saying is that Nimbies who don?t agree with planning decisions should stop wasting their time, driving themselves crazy with mental anguish - and boring everyone else silly - sell up, move to the Isle of Skye and be happy?

Will this most excellent logic - and your obsessional and increasingly deranged contributions to the Heathrow expansion thread - in mind, I attach a link to property currently available on Skye for your perusal.

http://www.zoopla.co.uk/for-sale/property/isle-of-skye/?include_retirement_homes=true&include_shared_ownership=true&new_homes=include&q=skye&results_sort=newest_listings&search_source=home

[fazer71]

bob

you have the first bit correct

not the last on logic that's a complete fail

Comparing aircraft noise to Building works can only be comparable to living next door to Diyers refurbishing their home over a lifetime creating dust mess & noise every day 7 days a week from 5.30 am until midnight for the rest of their and their children's lives except on days where the wind blows in a different direction.

I'm not poor not old and 100% not a nimby, moreover I wouldn't wish my issues on anyone else.

Using your logic I guess the OP should plough a load of time and effort into resolving the issues they have with their neighbours plans and building work throw themselves 100% into legal technical and environmental efforts to stop them carrying out their building works, with the logical conclusion that will make them better and resolve their problem and difficulties?

Hahah now that is deranged and obsessional & we all know that's where they're headed because they listen to fvckwit comments and fvckwit advice.

Pure comedy.

[*Bob*]

Interestingly however, you will find that many of the people who say that building work (and arising permanent structures) have a negative effect on their lives - are also people who take no notice WHATSOEVER of those planes - the ones that you complain have such a detriment effect on YOUR life.

And what happens if they pop up on your 'plane rant thread and suggest you just 'deal with it, get over it, accept it' - what happens? You spit the dummy!

Indeed, you suggest that other people who are not bothered by plane noise should just keep their opinions to themselves.. and yet here you are, dishing out the advice.

And you are incapable of seeing the irony in your position.

[edcam]

What Bob said.

[P.O.U.S.theWonderCat]

*applauds Bob*

[fazer71]

*Bob* Wrote:

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> And you are incapable of seeing the irony in your

> position.

There is no irony in my position!

Even after I have explained the considerable differences you continue to confuse two completely different issues! Weird & your mates are supporting you haha.

What is relevant is the help given.

We come onto forums like this to seek advice, some sympathy, discover if others are suffering with the same issue and look for potential ways to deal with our issues in the hope of finding a sensible solution.

We do not expect to be mislead receive idiotic advice so when that happens those who don't understand deserve to be shown up for their idiocy.

On this thread I have given clear advice (NOT-disingenuous) based on first hand knowledge and first hand experience in the hope it might help the OP, she has bizarrely take my advice and general comments as a personal attack and rather than question me she sent me an abusive PM. I found that quite disgusting very offensive & totally unnecessary.

Now you and others want to join in and make me out to be a bad person, well good for you :)

Spitting out my dummy on the Aircraft noise thread due to idiots telling me to move when I had clearly stated I had no intention of moving, does not compare to me suggesting the same to the OP in this thread who has clearly stated she's old doesn't have much money is finding the thought of a few months building work and the sight of a new wall in her rear garden something which she believes will make her life a complete misery.

I still maintain my advice to get her neighbor to give her ?3,000

(Rather than give it to some tw?t with a camera and nothing more to offer than is already offered in law)

was perfectly sound advice and ?3,000 would have perhaps given her the chance to go and sit in the sun or on a cruise for a month and avoid the worst of the building works.

Others are happy to enforce her misery with idiotic advice, disingenuous sympathy pointing her towards difficulty rather a realistic solution.

Hey fine if you'd rather take the advice that confirms your fears not so good if you want an actual solution.

We're all different, personally I'd rather get the truth after I've had a good old moan, rather than a load of platitudes.

On the Aircraft noise thread I've mainly been told to move along there's no issue, which is even more bizarre! & annoying !

[*Bob*]

I can't be bothered to read that. It's too long and it won't make any sense anyway.

Westerley winds all week. Enjoy.

[P.O.U.S.theWonderCat]

Self awareness sale ------->

[fazer71]

*Bob* Wrote:

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> I can't be bothered to read that. It's too long

> and it won't make any sense anyway.

>

>

> Westerley winds all week. Enjoy.

I think that confirms exactly what you are.

[fazer71]

I'll give you a clue because I feel sorry for people like you.

What you at starts with a c and end with a t I'll put money on you not getting it lol

[edcam]

Seriously, it's one thing to read fazer's bizarre ramblings about his odd obsession with aircraft noise but now he's become an offensive troll. This forum is for the most part fairly civilised but this behaviour is unacceptable.

[P.O.U.S.theWonderCat]

Fazer, if you can't work out that calling people who you disagree with "ladyparts" is rude, then you need to consider mental health treatment. You are getting increasingly more aggressive and unpleasant.

[fazer71]

Crackpot really you have such a crude mind. ;)