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message"New" bus routes starting 15th June
Posted by Zig-Zag June 04, 05:22PM

TFL have put the maps on their site showing more alterations to the bus routes (mainly shortened) from 15th June. I hope some of you may get lucky with the changes but from where I live it's yet another degradation in service and SE London is already the worst served area in London for public transport.

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Posted by mancity68 June 04, 05:57PM

Yep, appreciate I can still get from a to b, but a pain that my usual journey will now require a change.

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Posted by jwinters June 05, 03:53PM

Thanks for flagging this. This will affect how much husband gets to work I think..

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Posted by Bic Basher June 05, 04:08PM

The bus stops on LL still don't clearly show that the 40 will no longer serve London Bridge or Aldgate.

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Posted by mary123 June 06, 08:03AM

What's the main changes?

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Posted by Miacis June 06, 09:03AM

This affects me so badly. Iím undergoing cancer treatment at Guyís. being able to get a seat, not have to change then level walk made all the difference yesterday. Probably my last time able to do that journey and make it albeit exhausted. I did make the point in the TfL consultation. Guyís is centre for most cancer treatment now. Bus, train from Ed then longer walk with the equivalent of 20kg lead weights tied to your legs will just be too much. Iím lucky, I can afford a cab but thatís just bonkers.

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Posted by mary123 June 06, 09:23AM

The 40 no longer going to guys/ London bridge??

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Posted by Renata Hamvas June 06, 10:50AM

The 40 route is re-routes after Elephant and Castle, it goes via Blackfriars and City Thameslink to Clerkenwell Green. The 343 is extended, making a long route even longer and probably more unreliable!

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Posted by NewWave June 06, 05:51PM

Bus routes in this area are appalling! and seem to just get worse.
TFL obviously assume we all have nothing better to do than stick around our immediate area eating Pizzas and drinking Lattes and Craft beer-which I believe links nicely to a couple of other threads on this forum.
Actually...maybe the sweetshop opened so we can placate ourselves with a bag of sugary goodies as we wait at a string of different bus stops all over SE London in order to get anywhere half way central!

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Posted by Bic Basher June 06, 10:22PM

It all seems unnecessary duplication, if you live on East Dulwich Grove and want to travel to Farringdon, you can either walk to Peckham Rye as now and get the 63 and from Saturday walk to Goose Green and get the 40, while those in LL, Grove Vale and DKH lose their direct bus service to London Bridge.

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Posted by Bic Basher June 06, 10:24PM

Miacis Wrote:
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I can afford a cab but
> thatís just bonkers.

I'd recommend the Kapten app. They're doing fixed price fares unlike Uber. The fare from Goose Green to Guys as I type is £10.30.

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Posted by James Barber June 07, 06:42AM

London Mayor Sadiq Khan promised a fares freeze during the 2016 London elections. So to reduce costs to pay for this election promise bus frequencies were cut last summer. Now bus routes are being cut, merged and re routed.
Effectively the majority in London unwittingly voted for these cuts.

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Posted by rahrahrah June 07, 09:12AM

it doesn't feel like SE London get's its fair share of the Capital's transport investment by a long way. Our local politicians should be shouting very loudly. Instead 'improvements' appear to stop with making travel by car more difficult.

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Posted by Humdinger June 07, 09:15AM

Most buses during the day are empty anyway. Compared to the rest of the country and possibly the world, we have an unbelievable bus service.


If some cuts and changes have to be made from time to time due to changing dynamics and financial savings then so be it.

Hopefully people are aware that there is a train service from East Dulwich to London Bridge which takes about 10 minutes and runs, i believe, every 15 minutes.

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Posted by El Presidente June 07, 09:28AM

James Barber Wrote:
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> London Mayor Sadiq Khan promised a fares freeze
> during the 2016 London elections. So to reduce
> costs to pay for this election promise bus
> frequencies were cut last summer. Now bus routes
> are being cut, merged and re routed.
> Effectively the majority in London unwittingly
> voted for these cuts.

Quite right. Khan gets lots of positive national headlines because Trump doesn't like him, but the reality is things are getting worse transport wise in ED. This is a massive reduction in local service. And of course our local Labour councillors simply rolled over. Not a scintilla of fight or exercising influence. Party loyalty over loyalty to the area they are supposed to represent.

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Posted by Humdinger June 07, 10:39AM

Ridiculous. Talk to people in towns (not villages) outside of London, where the one sole bus route is under threat from getting axed, not because they are unpopular, because of funding cuts.

There is a bus that runs up Lordship Lane every 4 minutes at present. What more do you want?!

If you personally really want to get somewhere specific, really quickly, then there are also a million taxis you can order. For all other times, please wait patiently for a bus that will be along in a few minutes, and try not to sound so pathetically entitled while you are at it.

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Posted by Sue June 07, 10:40AM

Bic Basher Wrote:
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> Miacis Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> I can afford a cab but
> > thatís just bonkers.
>
> I'd recommend the Kapten app. They're doing fixed
> price fares unlike Uber. The fare from Goose
> Green to Guys as I type is £10.30.


That's very good.

I had to get a taxi home from Guy's a few weeks ago and it was more than twice that sad smiley

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Posted by NewWave June 07, 11:29AM

Humdinger Wrote:
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> Ridiculous. Talk to people in towns (not villages)
> outside of London, where the one sole bus route is
> under threat from getting axed, not because they
> are unpopular, because of funding cuts.
>
> There is a bus that runs up Lordship Lane every 4
> minutes at present. What more do you want?!
>
> If you personally really want to get somewhere
> specific, really quickly, then there are also a
> million taxis you can order. For all other times,
> please wait patiently for a bus that will be along
> in a few minutes, and try not to sound so
> pathetically entitled while you are at it.

It is not 'Pathetically entitled' to expect to get to my job as a 'lowly shop Assistant' in the west end in less than an hour.Using public transport because Believe it or not mate shop workers do not earn enough to get taxis to and from our jobs.
I pay £1500 a year for my Oyster card because much as I would love to use the cheaper and less claustrophobic option of busses to and from work the bus routes simply aren't good enough so I'm reliant on the overground to change to the Jubilee line at hideously overcrowded Canada Water.
In the summer and at Christmas many West end shops close at 10pm I get out at 10.30 when I'm on a late shift and frankly having to walk 15 minutes to get a bus that brings me over the river only to have to then change to another bus around Elephant and castle and then change again to be near my home does not appeal as a lone female who's been standing for 8hours on a shop floor-Also I'd be lucky to get home before midnight.
Belive it or not (hard I know as some of you wrongly believe the area is full of gentrified people sipping lattes and working on their laptops from home or doing highly paid city jobs) I moved here because I could no longer afford to live in West London Where I only used busses to get to work.
If I wanted to live in a village with one bus I'd have left London completely.
In this day and age of rising rents (£1000 a month for a bed sit in W2) more and more people are moving further from the inner city. Its about time TFL realised that areas like ours are populated by people who rely on good transport links to get us into our jobs at present the busses and trains just aren't good enough.
Busses are overcrowded as are trains and as for a bus every 4 miniutes on Lordship lane?
That sure as hell isn't the 185 or 176 which are the only routes that get us anywhere near central.

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Posted by mancity68 June 07, 11:39AM

Well said new wave.

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Posted by Humdinger June 07, 11:50AM

Tell you what mate, why don't you put your little rant in a little letter and send it to the mayor's office, proposing that he set up a new bus route entirely for you to get to work on time.


Your attitude is horrendous- you literally think that London should revolve around you, rather than the vice versa, because you like every other person, has to face the grind of a daily commute to work. I also have to get the overground into Canada Water and change onto the terribly overcrowded Jubilee Line, but guess what mate? That's what i have to do to go to work, and i have to deal with that. It all part and parcel of living in London.

Perhaps, it might make your life easier and happier if you searched for a "lowly shop assistant" job nearby to where you live, or perhaps leave London altogether if you cant hack it. And dont even bother responding crying "why should i?!", because you clearly are a spoilt individual who just doesn't quite understand how life in London works.



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Posted by treehugger June 07, 12:09PM

Crikey, humdinger, that's uncalled for.

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Posted by natty01295 June 07, 12:58PM

Is Cycling an Option for your Commute ?
CHEAPER !!!!



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Posted by spider69 June 07, 01:07PM

Humdinger, just how long have you lived in London?

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Posted by Pugwash June 07, 03:44PM

We are fairly well served with bus routes in ED - knowing that I can get 185/176/40 to Camberwell etc is great and also the choice of 185/176/197 to Forest Hill and beyond.

Having relatives living in West Sussex where there are no late night buses and you are forced to use cabs (if you can find a company) you appreciate our bus service. Where my daughter lives there are no buses after 10 pm and also no buses to take you to the nearest supermarket a couple of miles away. Where my parents lived - initially there was an hourly bus which over 20 years changed to every 15 minutes and now runs to about 10.30 pm. We were caught out one year as the train we were on was running 30 minutes late, we missed the last bus, and it cost us almost £30 for 6 miles for a cab.

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Posted by Hemingway June 07, 03:52PM

James Barber Wrote:
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> London Mayor Sadiq Khan promised a fares freeze
> during the 2016 London elections. So to reduce
> costs to pay for this election promise bus
> frequencies were cut last summer. Now bus routes
> are being cut, merged and re routed.
> Effectively the majority in London unwittingly
> voted for these cuts.

This was so obviously going to happen - basic economnics. People should also be aware of the unintended consequences of both Rent Freezes and Utility prices as the results will be similar decline in quality - declined investment, = poorer services/availability etc etc.

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Posted by Hemingway June 07, 03:55PM

Plus of course the consequences of frozen Rail Fares when when that get nationalized, as most people naively support. No such thing as free lunches.

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Posted by PeckhamRose June 07, 04:08PM

Humdinger that was outrageous. She works in a shop. Doing her best to survive in the big city. Stop lumping all ED / SE22 people as all the same. They are all different trying to make a difference and get on with their lives.

As for me, well personally I am delighted the 343 will be extended to Aldgate, but I don't need it for work and am sorry that so many of you are being disadvantaged as you try to get to work and that it is going to be that bit harder.

The other day I was being taken to a job from the airport in a limo (long story - wasn't even for a funeral! - and the limo driver said he is actually a paramedic and does the limo driving work to top up his pay, as he wants to try and remain in central London as long as he can. Life's not easy for so many people. You don't know their struggles. They don't need your anger.

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Posted by JohnL June 07, 04:17PM

Hemingway Wrote:
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> Plus of course the consequences of frozen Rail
> Fares when when that get nationalized, as most
> people naively support. No such thing as free
> lunches.

This article implies Inner London is losing services to pay for improved services in Outer London and that's what the consultation requested.

[www.bbc.co.uk]

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Posted by mary123 June 07, 05:56PM

Despite having 4 buses that serve lordship lane to pass through Camberwell Green is good, the time to get to Camberwell Green, Vauxhall and Oval is shocking..+++45 mins,, before even starting a tube journey..As much as we love the area we live in..alot of time has to be factored into our daily journeys..I will look into the new taxi app as have used Uber recently to get me home and prices have increased to match other taxi companies..
South London is the butt of all jokes to our fellow neighbourhoods in London where they may not necessary live in a nice place but have the pleasure of the tubes.

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Posted by Sue June 07, 08:03PM

Surely it doesn't take 45 minutes to get to Camberwell Green, unless there are roadworks?

I agree the times to Vauxhall and Oval can be long, but it does very much depend on the Day/time you travel and the traffic conditions.

Also changing over drivers, stopping to "even out the service" and red traffic lights don't help!

ETA: Sorry maybe I misread your post. Did you mean 45 minutes to a tube? There's always the 37 to Brixton, though that can be a bit hit and miss too.

I usually use Google maps to see which will be the quickest route on public transport, as it varies quite a bit even within ten minutes.



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