Keef

You could advertise it on your website, that you have basically come on here to advertise. Luckily admin has already taken it off, but I had a quick look, and it offers nothing that people don't get on here already. Good luck to you, but coming on here and advertising your rival site is a bit cheeky if you ask me.

And play a load of Black Sabbath (although that was a southern cross, but never mind).

Sorry, that was probably uncalled for, but I just don't think people are seeing the point here. His actions, along with his name, and a photo, just to make sure that someone with an issue against him knows exactly who to aim for. I disagree that this is a serperate issue, for me, this is exactly the issue!

So you agree he COULD have mental health issues, yet you still feel that that wouldn't excuse him in any way? Nice, a bit of understanding in the community is always good. Christ on a bike! Where has anyone said his actions are justifiable by the way? I think Fatherjack was right at the time of starting this thread. Unfortunately, Fatherjack couldn't have predicted the reactions of some. Still, whatever the eventual consequeces for this chap, at least you've all shown the world how "right on" and superior you can be about breast feeding, so well done.

Very well said Helena, much more eloquent than my post.

Okay, this may be my last post on here, as some people just seem to refuse to see past their own interests. I admit that the asking permission thing is an aside, and a woman shouldn't "have to", but at the same time, it might be nice if on occasion, she "decided to". That however is not really the point here. NOONE has been anti breast feeding. In fact, there has been overwhealming support for it. It is incredibly poor form, and self serving to try and dismiss people's arguments, by effectively dismissing them as some biggoted "anti brigade". NOONE has supported the actions of the staff members in the MIND shop. Most people have said very clearly that the actions were out of order, and expressed sympathy with the woman in question. HOWEVER... This situation was being dealt with directly with MIND, and they were responding, and expressing concern over it. However, before this could be resolved in an adult, and responsible way, someone has given it to the nasty scummers that "write" for the Mail, and it's found it's way on to the radio. As a result, a man has had his name and photograph published, and frankly, yes, he is now the biggest "victim" in all of this! He made a big error of judgement, something which everyone on this forum and in the world has done, or will do in their lives. I just hope that all of you don't end up in the fecking newspaper when your turn comes. Next thing he'll get beaten up by some enlightened soul who thinks he's a pervert or something. Christ, I feel like I'm living in bloody Sidcup!!! Keef out.

I also don't think there are any posts supporting the actions of the staff members. I also think that it is poor form to more or less say "you haven't breastfed, so your opinion is less valid". My wife breast feeds, and hopes to become a BF counsellor, but her response to this was VERY different to many on here.

You beat me to it Ted. I can't see one single post that is "anti" breastfeeding.

Word! I tried responding to the other thread, but was too slow. It's just turning something to their advantage without a seconds thought for the potential damage done to either an individual or a charity. It stinks, even if breast milk doesn't.

The way in which they mebtioned the piercings didn't come across as just descriptive to me. It seemed more like an effort to brand him in some way.

I also agree that this can only damage MIND as a charity, which is a great shame. I just wonder if localmamma received any money for her story, and if so, I hope it's made up for the obvious emotional pain that was caused!

Agree, and I always said the story was bad. I just felt a bit uncomfortable about some reactions on here, and I feel disgusted by that article, and the use of the mans photo.

So it's fine to put a man's photo on the net, and point out his piercings, like that makes him some sort of nutter? Notice no one asked him for a comment of reaction. It's a pathetic telling of a story, and I hope the person who wrote it (well actually, cut and pasted it, with very little skill) is ashamed. Unfortunately, they won't be.

This is another problem with forums like this. Too many "journalists" who don't actually do any proper journalism, but rather, read local forums looking for "stories" they can blow out of all proportion. What a nasty telling of the "story", it should make people ashamed. The man has now been photographed, and put on the bloody internet!!! This is not appropriate, and the "journalist" is barely above pond life. I am so angry having read this, and I hope that even the people on here who were angered by the story, are at least a bit uncomfortable with the way it has been reported in that article!

Please don't let it be the NCT, it will be overrun by confused people with newborns!

Jake L Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Or take the other road it's on and called it The > North Cross. sounds old and new at the same time, > to my mind. Of all the suggestions on here, I think "The North Cross" is pretty good. However, I still say keep The Uplands, which as far as I know, has always been the name.

I swear the editor is a comedy genius. The bloke trying to get comfortable in the reclining seat was pure gold.

Not a case of "should" or "have to" ask, I guess asking first would just be a nice gesture, especially to someone who was a bit protective of their changing rooms. It would also have given him the chance to refuse, in which case it could have been reported on here, and taken up with the powers that be at MIND, and everyone could have gotten angry about it, but it would have avoided the actual situation that ended up happening. I really don't want to sound like I am in any way unsympathtic to the lady in question here, I am just trying to look at the situation in a broad way to explore options.

Apparently she's got 20 years childcare experience, and I dare say she may hold some qualification as a nanny, but I still don't think that qualifies her to speak with conviction about behavioural needs. That is the realm of the qualified psychologist IMO. Plus the fact she just annoys me ;-)

That is exactly the problem with this particular part of the forum. A lot of the topics are somewhat emotive, because they re based on peoples beliefs about parenting and family. Therefore, people get somewhat protective / judgemental (I am as guilty as anyone else). Sillywoman, Magpie said nothing nasty, and was just voicing an opinion, and frankly, you've gone a bit mental at her/him. A baby might not want to wait for a feed, but would 5 seconds to say "excuse me, do you mind if I just nip in to the changing room to feed the baby?" make such a huge difference? I think not. I'm not saying that she should have had to ask, but it's not such a bad idea, and the suggestion certainly didn't deserve the response it got.

Sorry if I've offended, but with that super nanny woman, I genuinely think that it is dangerous to have someone like her, with no proper qualifications, telling a family how to deal with a child with behavioural issues. TV should be more responsible. It's like giving airtime to "Dr" (certificate bought on the net) Gillian McKeith, people respect what she's saying, because they think she's a doctor on telly, so can be trusted. It's the same with this super nanny, people think that because she's on telly, she is some expert in child behaviour, and I find that scary. Anyway, I've gone off topic. One born every minute, on tonight.

By the way, did anyone see that thing on before this, with that Horrific Jo somebody "super nanny"? What an absolute fecking pile of sh!te. This woman is visiting a family with a child with ADHD, and rather than having a child psychologist see him, they get this silly cow! I don't know what is worse, the fact this woman gets paid for her nonsense, or the fact that people actually let her near their children! I turned off after 5 minutes.

Mrs Keef and I watched this last week for the first time. The bloke was a c**t, please excuse my language, but he was. Yes it can be frustrating for the man, and yes you're very tired if you've been there a couple of days, but FFS, who speaks to someone like that, let alone someone you love, who is having your child!

Well I can't answer with any degree of certainty, as I don't find it offensive. But some people are less comfortable about seeing a bit of flesh. I guess there are also cultures where it is deemed unacceptable by some, for women to show ANY skin in public, let alone a breast. It would seem we are all really saying the same thing, but in a different way. I have been trying not to post on the forum lately, as it annoys me (not this bit, but other sections), but felt this worth talking about. A friend of mine used to work in a popular bar on LL, and he was sure that a particular trio of ladies used to actively try to make him uncomfortable with their feeding, almost challenging him to look, or to say something. Of course, he could have been being completely paranoid, but I cam imagine what he meant, having spoken to SOME women about these things. Just for the record, I wasn't really commenting at all on this particular incident. I do however agree with PGC, that it is very dangerous for a person to be torn apart on a forum like this, when they've not had a chance to express their side of the story. After all, it is not outside the realms of posibility that there was some misunderstanding here, and that he didn't come across as he had meant to.

Well then we're in complete agreement, something was just lost in translation. I was using the word "offensive" for what you were calling "uncomfortable". I was just riled by a comment earlier that seemed to suggest a person was being unreasonable if they didn't want to see a breast/nipple. I don't think that is unreasonable. I personally have no issue with it, but someone does, then fair enough. If someone just finds breast feeding as a whole, "unacceptable" in any public place, and are not satisfied with a lady being discreet, then they are clearly unwilling to compromise, and that is unfortunate, as compromise needs to be made in most areas of life.