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Maybe, but.......... I did a lot of what people have described, mostly due to exhaustion/brain numbness. When I realized much later that I had made some mistakes with the way I prepared formula I looked it up on the Health Canada website and discovered that there had not ever been a single case of this recorded. Ever. I'm not saying that it isn't something to avoid. Obviously you want to keep it safe. The only reason I point this out is because we know that there are plenty of mums out there feeling bad about the formula and worse about accidently getting it wrong and making their baby sick. It is absolutely important to educate yourself about it and do everything to make it as safe as possible, but there is no point in freaking people out. New mums are plenty freaked as it is! Edited to add: In no way am I saying this infant's death isn't an absolute tragedy. I think that goes without saying but ........ Fuschia Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Horrible to catch news from across the Atlantic, > Enfamil formula gas been withdrawn from sale by > many retailers after a baby died from cronobacter > Sakazakii. > > http://www.businessweek.com/ap/financialnews/D9RQF > PVO2.htm > > I believe in the us, consumers are less aware that > infant formula powder isn't sterile. My heart goes > out to this family. :-(

I think advocaat is made with spirits rather than rum, isn't it? I've never tried it but suspect it would taste more clove-ey. I'm thinking absinthe with custard kind of flavour? Eggnog is a very custard/rum/cinnamon flavour.

I had a quick look on Ocado and they have it. Borden's brand. Doesn't have rum in it, which is more how I'm used to (don't you pour your rum over ice, then add the nog?). However you can get your hands on it I guess. There's always the eggnog latte at Starbucks if you're desperate..........

Waitrose used to carry it. I would try there. And Sainbury's makes proper butter tarts, which is what I also always missed at Christmas.

You can get really tall stair gates, I think they might be for pets? We did. It works if you can stand listening to an angry little voice shouting mummy through his prison bars for hours on end. On the other hand, I found that easier at 5:00 am than having to march junior back to his bed a thousand times. Put a little pillow and blanket and a lovey on the prison side to lesson the guilt. And remind yourself that he HAS a nice cozy bed, if he would just stay in it! Shouting "Sleep is nice! Bed is good! Why why why won't you just go (the ****) to sleep already!" rarely works, I find.

I think she's onto something. A friend with three boys recently told me: "everything I know about parenting I learned from the Dog Whisperer", which I thought was pretty funny.

Otta Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Do you have tinitus? > > Either that, or it's the tortured souls of battery > hens screaming in your ears. (tu)

There was actually a thread about this two or three years ago. I was watching the actual episode and when they mentioned that the house was in ED and the woman was a music promoter I figured it was Sue, and started a thread called "Is that Sue on TV?". Sue came on and said it was her, and went into the ugly story of the disastrous renovations and contractor issues. Of course back then she didn't know the person was on the forum and no names were mentioned, but the story was otherwise exactly as she tells it now. I remember feeling awful for her, and there were a lot of responses about legal action if I recall. There was a lot of money spent and I couldn't believe how little was done. Bookshelves in the lounge? A really tiny bathroom maybe..... That was long before they started to bicker on here, so would be inclined to think that Sue didn't know who DJKQ was at all.

Hi Gussy. Sorry I wasn't going to post but see you need to know you are not alone....... and you aren't! My son is five and has done this on and off for years. It's really a tough one, isn't it? We have gone through phases of good sleep (when I sleep trained him at 10 months we had a great year after) or a couple of months of normalish nights, but then a wave of hard nights. We seem to have bad weeks mixed in with good weeks, sort of 2 or 3 good ones and then a bad one. Honestly if I look back over the years there is a pattern of mental activity to explain it, either a new skill that's playing in their head or a new situation (as you mentioned a sibling), changes in school, friends, whatever. We call it the butterfly affect because it seems that if a butterfly flaps it's wings in Brazil, it will have a ripple effect on my son's sleep :) No health concerns have materialized, and over the years I have come to the conclusion that some children are just hard wired to be a bit more high alert. I read an interesting theory recently that these high alert children in cave man terms would have kept the tribe alive; while the tribe slept or sang or whatever, the alert ones saw or heard danger before the others noticed. Anyway, I'm a big believer in sleep health and try really hard to maintain really consistent habits to at least minimize the affects. We bumped his bedtime earlier to work in an extra hour for the nights he loses out (because he has to be up at 7:00 for school now, regardless of his night). Of course this means we are up an extra hour early on the nights he hasn't been up, but sounds like you are up anyway. Other than that I wish I had some suggestions. I like the sound of the ipod stories, but knowing my son he would start waking every night to get it so it wouldn't work for us. Good luck, I know other people with similar experiences so it's not that rare.

Within a couple of weeks of moving to ED (the UK in fact) we were burgled in the night. As it was an international move, we arrived several weeks ahead of our belongings so at that time only had a few bits of furniture, but all new electronics. Somehow he missed most of those, including a week old Macbook, but did manage to take all wallets and purses (including passports and immigration papers etc!) A couple of days later the local postman was doing his route a couple of roads over and noticed something in the bushes of someone's front garden. It was wallets, purses etc., obviously dumped by a thief. When he went through the ID he saw that the owners were Canadian, and he remembered that he had new residents on his route that had mail redirected from Canada and took the chance that these were the same people. He brought it to our house to find out, and sure enough it was ours. The only things not there were our mobile phones and a camera bag that luckily didn't have the camera in it. Unfortunately it was quite an awful experience (welcome to Britain!) and I was too busy hating London/thinking we'd made a huge mistake/wanting to go home to have the clarity of mind to see that we got lucky.

Good grief.

Sorry Andrew, hasty typing. Of course I meant people with disabilities and not "the disabled". Looking at the posts on this thread people are genuinely shocked and disgusted by the what the OP has described and are interested in learning more about the increase in hate crimes against people with disabilities. This could be a way to positively educate people. There's no sense in vilifying the people who care.

One of my most successful party tricks was also the least expensive. I brought our little inflatable paddling pool into the house and filled it with puffed wheat cereal. Add a bunch of diggers and trucks and you're set....... gave the party a digger theme (construction birthday cakes are crazy easy to decorate) and the kids loved it. Yellow and black balloons and streamers from the pound shop. Easy. A friend copied it for her own son and added plastic construction hats she ordered online, which she gave out digger stickers to personalize as a small project. Wish I'd thought of that part. Wine for the parents :)

Andrew1011, I don't know Otta in real life but based on what he has posted on here over the years I do know that he works with disabled and has always been one to inform and enlighten on the topic. For whatever reason you have decided that he's minimizing the struggles of the disabled, which he has never done on this forum. He's not being petty, just trying to keep some perspective. He's on your side, give him a break!

Deary me is right, A&F! Moos was completely correct in wondering why your interpretation of that thread is so different than what was said. I myself thought that some liberties were taken in describing it. You are just parroting one person's opinion, not an actual incident. Is there a full moon? The EDF seems to be full of crazy this week. Adam&Fiona Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Deary me Moos. > > You quote me as saying 'no-one is saying you > shouldn't bring children into pubs' and use it to > fit your post. When if you read ever so slightly > above you will see what i actually said was > "No-one AT FIRST was suggesting that you can't > bring buggies etc into pubs" - my point being that > the thread started off fairly inoccuously and then > people took over and made their own personal > gripes. > > Why did you change my words? Madness! > > I've just moved to East Dulwich and enjoyed the > forum as a way of finding out about good places to > eat etc. Plus I was impressed by the local > passion. Now after only my second ever post (which > i thought was simply explaining an issue rather > than offering any real opinion) and reading how > threads get out of hand I am already sick of > people's attitude. > > That's me done on the site now. Thanks!

Grumpy Hamster Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------ > > However, good for Marie81 to join this thread and > state that she 'didn't mean to offend any > parents'. It probably might have been easier for > her to ignore this thread or post something more > inflamatory. > True.

But you said what you said. People are quoting YOUR ACTUAL WORDS, which clearly have offended a number of readers. The fact that it wasn't what you meant doesn't mean people don't have a right to be offended by what you actually really did say. Nothing has been twisted or taken out of context; you need to take some ownership of your statement I think instead of pointing fingers. Don't blame hellosailer if you didn't articulate what you meant to say.

I have been easy on you, but you seem to unravel without any help from me. Tear you to shreds? Are you joking? I haven't but I seriously should have. Maybe next time. hellosailor Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > zeban Wrote: > -------------------------------------------------- > ----- > > > > Oh dear HH, being b**chy AGAIN!!! > > Zeban, with respect, anyone who can remember the > posting history between you and HH would say that > for her to leave it at having a wry smile over my > joke on this thread would be you getting off > pretty darn lightly. It's a miracle that she > hasn't responded more vigorously to what many > would describe as your repeated bullying of her. > Any yes ,I'd also like to know, why is it > interesting that 'the Mums' have started a thread > on this in the family room!? > > > > Zeban wrote: > > Interesting how the Mums have started up a thread > > on this in the family room!

How scary...... hope you can get a good night's sleep. It's nice to hear when things end well.

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You know what? Life's too short.

Just out of curiosity, why is that interesting?

Basically, I drink BECAUSE I'm a parent. There. I've said it.

Hellosailer- :)-D (and that's a full pint for me, thanks!) .......nothing to add since discussing parenting with someone who hasn't done it and discussing drinking with someone who doesn't really do that either is the curse of this forum. But I have to tell you, this is GOLD: hellosailor Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > zeban Wrote: > -------------------------------------------------- > ----- > >I did actually expect an > > apology as she could see what she was doing but > > when I looked at her she didn't say a thing! > > Maybe she melted on the spot

Have you considered posting something interesting yourself?