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Is eric cantona a house guest currently woof? Remember. 'password' is not a safe password for your account.

Not me, I PMed scor but trying to entice him out for booze. I'm not a maths whizz. When writing routines to price up DAROs in Amsterdam I had to ask someone what the dots meant in an equation. I think people started wondering, quite justifiably, what on earth I was doing there at that point!!

let ... it.....go. Mind you, on that subject it'd be nice to see se?or M predict a west ham victory, just once ;) Maybe not this week mind.

"They do in the drawing room, but there is no smiling, no wit, and certainly no stella allowed in there!" A bit harsh, Brendan's made me chuckle a couple of times today, I however have been a crashing bore and a dickhead to boot, or is this the wrong thread?

No, obviously powered by electricity generated cleanly elsewhere. Of course one might say 'millions of inefficient carbon powered vehicles taking one person at a time on the same journey pumping out noxious greenhouse gases, are you mad? And yes I know the arguments, they weren't definitive solutions, just a cluster of non greenhouse alternatives up for discussion. God, everyone with the negative nancy vibe today, and you're the clever ones. Perhaps we are doomed after all as if we can't even persuade ourselves of the need and feasability what hope the man on the street who wants his car, insists it's his right to leave his telly on standby and the governemnt can prise his remote out of his cold dead hands and don't even think about coming near his dimmer switch!!

No worries, I too live on a hill so shouldn't drown but will get lovely sea views over camberwell. I've posted this site before which I recall got Dulwichmum terribly excited! Http://flood.firetree.net

Ok I'll give it a rest now as I'm boring myself now and all my warblings boil down to 'yes we can' in the face of emotive straw men about closing down children hospitals and dimmer switches 'sorry your home is under water little tommy but my lounge had a dimmer switch you see'. ;)

I'm not going to argue with you mainly because I completely agree with you. The shagsacks of governmets we've had are exactly the ones we deserve. It's what we voted for after all and maintaing the frame of debate politically where it's stagnated for thirty years in a pitiful pool of selfinterest is entirely down to our cognitive dissonance. I want I want I want. Why have 'they' sold of the family jewels? Because we asked them to, we want to have our cake and eat it. Youre right I agree. But again you're examples of why it's hard, fuel running out, the impotence and complexity of carbon tradng schemes will be a result of this dissonance maintaining the frame of debate about how we can solve our problems whilst maintaing our status quo in terms of the life we're used to. If we have the balls to bring people in who will change the frame then things can be done. It can be easier than all the excuses given. If we have already moved away from petrol engines, if we are moving our freight in trains powered by clean renewable/nuclear/fusion power, then the trucks aren't grinding and the carbon doesn't need trading. The frame of debate needs to change now in order for us to have the research scientists to invent fusion or improve food yields without recourse to organophosphates etc etc there are so many challenges and we need a cognitive revolution as influential as, say france's political one ofthr first world war gave us sea changes in the way we think about mankind and society. As I said out of adversity shouldn't we be better, lime WW2 gave us a united nations (*coughs cynically*) and the concept of universal human rights (*coughs AND chokes a bit*)

Though a British inventor has invented that incredibly funky wave snaky thing which looks like it has real potential at harvesting the quite considerable wave power potential we have on our hugely long coast on some very rough seas. And I take back what I said above. Even if you take it that there is nomsuch thing as altruism, that we ultimately only act in self interest, then I think we've seen in the past that that selfinterest has many time looked uncannily like self sacrifice and idealism. We amy have done baby steps in getting rid of CFC's or lead from petrol, but these things have been done and we can achieve the changes necessary to avoid the catastrophes ahead.

I can't see an awful lot that's contreversial about, and I believe I'm paraphrasing you, 'we're a bunch of selfish cunts and our own worst enemy'

Brilliant Brendan, don't forget the media studies! I'm reminded of the golgafrinchans suddenly, though everybody needs their haircut and their telephones sanitised.

I'm pretty certain this is all achievable but we really have to get off our arses. After 30 years of the politics of I'm all right jack, we have to ge our heads around the fact that the challenge ahead of us is every bit as much an existential threat as Nazi Germany. The economy needs to mobilise effectively to a war footing. We need everybody to get involved to some extent. We need our scientists and inventors to be every bit as admired as Barnes Wallace or Turing. For this we need strong leadership and a politcal frame of debate far removed from wheee we are now. Sadly judging by the loathing met here at the horror of low energy lightbulbs poking up from lampshades I fear our failure is inevitable.

Wow. Name me a footballer today who could use the word epithet!!

On the contrary my gut instinct tells me that it's easier than we fear. Very easy to cry 'it's hard' or 'they won't do it so why should i' or 'it'll be expensive and someone else might benefit more than me' In the end they all look rather weak and whining, at least that's what I'll feel as I look my grandchild in the eye and apologise that my generation fucked it all up for them and did nothing about it in the full knowledge of the consequences of our (in)actions. I for one will be building, at considerable personal expense, an eco home of the future within the next five years. It won't be near the sea!!

I'm totally with you there. We had two governments who laid claim to ushering in times where we've never had it so good and tried to bask in the glory of it. In fact all that happened was a huge sell of of the family jewels for short term gain. Oops, that's all been spent and those issues that were there 10 and 15 years ago are no closer to bring resolved, in fact they are further away because we've allowed science to practically fall of the syllabus. Not so much a brain drain more no future brains. I'm pretty sure real leadership is facng up to hard decisions and making the difficult calls. The last two were travesties, mote obsessed with their public image and the hand of history than with actually achieving anything. Gggaaaaahhhh hate'em hate'em hate'em!!!!!!!!!! Rant spit bile rant

Ah sorry I misunderstood. Apologies for rant, this whole situaion gets my goat. I'll admit they are signs that confidence is returning it's just to what end. We haven't changed anything....at all. Meanwhile we have very real issues that noones doing a damned thing about. Addressing these issues, indeed becoming world leaders in achieving advances can help this economy become more than a massive navel gazing service nation based upon house prices and a healthy city. It's papering over the cracks of an ill nation and it's sad, pathetic and a lost opportunity. Out of strife should come wisdom and advancement. I see no sign of this.

"If you don't think that stopping the rot in the equities market is important... please enlighten us as to what is?" boring bleeding heart liberal stuff like actually doing something about global warming, actually doing something about securing our clean energy needs. Actually doing something about global poverty and injustice.... You know the things western leaders pledge to do then conveniently forget to give a few million towards. Meanwhile cutting benefits for old people to heat their homes in winter because we all have to make sacrifices to ensure the banks are ok. At least they've put in lots of regulation to ensure risks aren't taken and people aren't rewarded for short term profits. Oh wait.... No sorry, equities markets of course. I remeber a tome when equity was a mechanism to raise capital for Sensible investment, but there I am being naive again. We can just print money these days cant we.

Oh dear, our dependency and confidence dependent upon on equity markets and house prices is what got us into this mess. If the signs of us getting out of it are house prices stabilising and equity markets rallying (which infully suspected was browns goal) then truly we have learned nothing and see you here agin in a few years time. I know boom and bust is a natural cycle but this is silly.

Skip pro, cannot take advantage of a 64 bit chipsets or much ram. I've found vista to be fine on most thing though vista 64bit is a bit fussy on programs it can run. Alot of offers come with offer of a free upgrade to win7 which by all accounts is much better

True, bt the essence wild he true in all four. Is a definitive definition tautologous? Is a definition err by definition definitive?

Of course that isn't necessarily the definitive definition, but agreed it is a bit head bending. Im liking brendans new word though think 'Simpsonulisms' works a bit better. Do they extend to neologisms from any tv programme, only animated programs or from anything thats embraced by all who are a bit geeky. I'm not saying I'm alot like comic book guy, I'm not saying that at all.

Is it something to do with fearing that He* has permanently left us? **Bob*

If the above definition is correct the cromulance of a neolgism is lost the moment it neologosity has ceased and it has entered into everyday usage. Is offtopicate still cromulent or has it become accepted in this here community. In fact does colloquial acceptance give rise to a local loss of cromulence but mean it can still maintain it elsewhere? In fact has the mere fact that The Simpsons coined it invalidated the cromulence of both cromulent and embiggen?

Oh I see as opposed to indignation. I guess it falls within the bounds of cromulence, though equally it could just he incorrect.

It wasn't meant to come across like that, perhaps I should embiggen my sense of humour.