OK, I've listened (since you asked so nicely!). Whedon is actually quite an engaging speaker, isn't he? There's not much there I didn't agree with. You might be horrified at this, but I think that, ideologically, we are actually not too far away from each other. In fact, I think I am closer to your way of thinking than david_carnell's. We both see that gender issues affect both sexes, though we disagree how they should be tackled - though probably not as much as three pages of sometimes impassioned posting would suggest. I think we both are, in my shaky terminology, basically 'equalitist/egalitarian', even though you like to call it 'feminist' and I don't.