Sue

If you are worried, you could somehow wash or otherwise sanitise your card every time you used it. I'm not sure how though. But I would have thought there was still less chance of passing on the virus by card than by cash. I'm sure others here will know a lot more than me about it!

gromit3:16 Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > The shop worker has to handle the product you are > buying, so how will they work around that. That's one person, plus whoever has handled it between its original production and you. Taking a wild guess, not more than half a dozen. And retailers - and presumably producers, warehouses, wholesalers etc - are taking strict steps to keep things hygienic (not sure that's the word). Cash has probably been round hundreds of people, any one of whom could transmit the virus via the cash (or pick it up from the cash).

DulwichFox Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > > What is happening is on the same level as > Looting. No it isn't. Looting is illegal and if you are caught looting you are liable to be locked up or at the least fined. Stocking up prior to potentially being stuck in your home for weeks or months is sensible, particularly under the current circumstances. What is wrong is a combination of some people buying more than they need, and retailers not having, or not sticking to, a maximum number of each item per customer. And (if that were possible) restricting customers to one lot of purchases per - week?

gromit3:16 Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > It's getting ridiculous No, it's not getting ridiculous. It is protecting people, including you, from getting ill, in some cases very ill, and in some cases dead.

Thanks for all the supportive posts and PMs. In the end I downloaded a white noise app, which obviously I should have thought to do before. However the radio wasn't too bad yesterday. I am up and about now, thanks, all ready to continue self-isolating :)

:))

monica Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > This was > followed by news of lockdown from tonight. Monica, where did you get that news from?

monica Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > We have taken a similar stance now, no more then 2 > items of the same product per customer. We have > signs up in the shop regarding the current > situation, customers are helping by not bulk > buying. > We are part of the ED retail whatsup group, and > had received photos from one of our retail > colleagues of the army in clapham. This was > followed by news of lockdown from tonight. > We won't be closing we are a health and food > store, we have recruited team members, to support > the community and the store through this > challenging time. > Take care ED. Do you have red lentils?

singalto Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Ocado let my 83 year old father down. His delivery > was due last Thursday but Ocado then changed it to > the Monday. They did not deliver on Monday and > didn?t apologise until the following day. My dad > is very vulnerable and has been left in the lurch > by Ocado. That is terrible. Did he get his delivery in the end? Did you complain?

I think it is because Kings is not in East Dulwich. Admin is very strict about that. Though I agree an exception could have been made under the circumstances. Perhaps if a separate virus section is set up, this thread could go there?

Thank you Mark. That WHO analysis was the one I had seen.

gromit3:16 Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > but why are they now clearing out the fresh fruit > and vegetables isle? they already took the frozen > and tinned vegetables. > I don't know about the fruit, but you can make things with fresh veg and freeze them. Soup, roasted veg, shepherd's pies (or veggie versions) etc.

I'm not sure I can find it again easily, but there is a chart from a credible source which gives a breakdown of symptoms from nearly 56,000 people who tested positive for the virus in China. The figures were from February. From memory, nearly 90% had fever (ie not everybody did). I think the next highest percentage was the dry cough. BUT a significant number of people had symptoms which included sore throat, nausea, cough with phlegm, aching muscles ((I think it was), diarrhoea (low % but a lot in terms of actual numbers). Assuming the positive test results were accurate, this means that people who may be thinking they just have, or had, a cold (for example) could actually have had the coronavirus and may have infected other people. Sorry to alarm, but I find this quite worrying given that there are a lot of other viruses going round at the moment. I would have thought the government would have made testing a priority, as other countries have. Headless chickens spring to mind. Or pissups and breweries. ETA: also, please bear in mind that whilst it is very good news that for the majority this illness will be very mild, those people with mild symptoms (or who test positive without showing symptoms) can pass the virus to others who may then become very ill and - worst case scenario - die. So please don't take this too lightly.

JohnL Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Sue Wrote: > -------------------------------------------------- > ----- > > They should allow you to take out jugs of beer > :)) > > > Yes I concur :) In the olden days pubs used to have sections next to the main part where you could get beer to take away. My mum used to send me up there to get refills for a soda syphon (she didn't drink!)

DulwichFox Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Just returned from Sainsburys > > Sainsburys are milking it.. Their manager if they > have one on site needs to be sacked. > Absolute disgrace. > I think that's a bit harsh. I imagine the manager has to follow guidelines laid down from above. I may of course be wrong. And when people, which I presume includes yourself, are going to have to self-isolate for many weeks, you can hardly blame them for stocking up on canned goods etc. In my view, as I think someone said above, the government should have foreseen this and made provision for it, not left it to individual chains and shops to try to muddle their way through it.

Go to M&S, I say. They are promising magic and sparkle. I had an email from them today, part of which says: "? Colleagues from our Clothing & Home team will be joining our Food teams so we can continue to give the magic and sparkle service you rely on at M&S despite increased demand." :)) :)) :)) ETA:Who writes this garbage? Very sorry to hear about the nappy situation. Nightmare.

uncleglen Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------ > > And of course there are the lowest of the low > trying to make political capital out of a serious > situation....you have just done a general commie > rant and it is NOT clever or useful And up he pops, fanning the flames .....

dbboy Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > don't know where the money tree came from > Agreed, they are throwing money around just like > it was feared Labour would do, but this is because > of the danger the virus can do both health and > financially. > As I said, I was talking about the other spending in the budget, not money connected to the coronavirus situation.

I gather the government is bringing in legislation to allow pubs and restaurants to provide take-away meals. I'm not sure that this is going to have a huge effect in practice. They should allow you to take out jugs of beer :))

JohnL Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Phlegm means it's not Covid19 :) just disgusting > normal stuff Actually that's not necessarily true. Yes, a dry cough is one of the main symptoms, but as I understand it coughing up thick phlegm can also be a synptom (though at that stage you'd probably be quite ill).

dbboy Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Oh here we go again, just blame the Government for > everything, I fear what it might have been like > with the left wing party's. Ironically, the Tories have been throwing money around (in the budget, not the virus stuff) in a manner which prior to the election people were supposedly concerned that Labour would do. Where had the Magic Money Tree been hiding all these past ten years of austerity, and how did it suddenly magically appear?

IlonaM Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Been notified that my Sainsburys delivery today > will not have milk, eggs, flour etc. so there is > an impact of the store-raiding on online > deliveries, if you can find a slot that is - > S'burys no slots available for next three weeks as > far as i can see. > > ETA: given up trying to get through on phone after > an hour. Have replied to an order confirmation > email requesting registration and that they > implement an online option for others to register > as disabled/elderly/vulnerable. Hopefully it makes > its way up the chain of command. Nope email > rejected. There must be a way of contacting them > by email?? Tesco also has no slots available at all. Its slots go up to 7 April, and all full. I too would like to know how people can register as being in the high risk group. I wish I had bought a lot more stuff now on my last order, or as much as I could given the restrictions. It's all very well to accuse people of stockpiling, but what are you supposed to do?

sweetgirl Wrote: --------------------------------------------------- > > This is far worse than what we are being told. > There are many people who have it, who haven't > been tested. > If you haven't been tested you wouldn't be added > to the statistics! Totally agree. "They" are trying to make the situation look better than it is. Though also, they apparently don't have anything near the number of testing kits required. Other countries have rigorously tested and therefore much more efficiently contained the virus. But what is really inexcusable is that NHS frontline staff are not being tested. There is a heart consultant (I think it was) who went home with a fever and cough. He was told he would not be tested (he is trying to get a test kit from a colleague abroad). He has potentially infected both patients and other staff, but nobody is being tested. An elderly woman on his ward died of the virus. He is sure she got it whilst at the hospital. We are in the hands of a bunch of muppets. ETA: https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/mar/17/there-is-a-policy-of-surrender-doctor-on-uks-covid-19-failures?CMP=Share_AndroidApp_Feed

I thought the forum had improved lately, with fewer nasty people on it. Clearly I was wrong. I don't know whether they deliberately troll or whether they are just unhappy people taking it out on others. Very sad, in all senses of the word. Thanks to those who have been supportive. ETA: I am not rolling in money. I am a pensioner who moved here thirty years ago, before gentrification. The acoustic glass is because I was being constantly woken up by a neighbour's boiler.

Charlottie79 Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > (Please note I won't respond to direct/private > messages or be drawn into dialogue, it's intended > to be a helpful post only) > > I work for an online supermarket and slots are > booked for the next 3 weeks across all retailers - > I suggest if you see a slot, even if it's 3 weeks > away, secure it now so you know you have something > in the future. > > It may not seem like it but supermarkets and > manufacturers really are doing all they can to > keep food moving through the supply chain and on > to the shelves. I'm not aware of any that > prioritise an online shopper over a store shopper. > but some postcodes, especially in London, may have > online orders picked from a dedicated 'dark store' > therefore not being picked from a shop. > > Websites and apps are very slow due to the volume > of online traffic so if you're asked to wait in a > virtual queue before you can start shopping, it > will be because they're trying to move customers > through checkout without it crashing - online > shopping will take much longer than normal, which > is tedious, but a cuppa, classic fm or an audio > book could help. > > Substitutions and missing products will be very > common and you won't always get what you were > after. > - if items you normally have are no longer visible > on the website, it's because they've been removed > from the assortment > - if an item is showing as out of stock but still > visible, they'll be hoping to get more stock in > - and if it's showing as in stock but is subbed or > missing when delivered, it's unfortunately a case > of when your order was picked, it had all gone > > > Thank you and look after yourselves Thank you, that's very helpful.