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Carrie Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Do get a proper diagnosis of IBS before doing an > elimination diet, as IBS symptoms mimic symptoms > of other conditions. But once you have a diagnosis > then the Monash University FODMAP app is great for > managing elimination and re-introduction do you > can find out your individual trigger foods. Yes, thank you, I will. I realise it could be something more serious.

NewWave Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Stress is a monster thats for sure. > back to the IBS out of interest do you eat much > Quinoa? > The reason I ask is I had IBS in my 20's and > thankfully seemed to 'grow out of it" if thats > possible, but also I learnt the food combinations > that triggered it and have avoided them ever > since. > However..a couple of years ago I started to get > occurrences of IBS symptoms..bloating (really > really bad)cramps and a 'dodgy tum' I was > mystified until I started to think back over the > occurrences and what I'd eaten..this was around > the time Quinoa became fashionable and it popped > up in loads of salads (I eat a lot of salads)..I > did an experiment and sure enough the Quinoa was > triggering the IBS symptoms. > Its so bad that a couple of months ago I was > eating something that didn't have quinoa as an > obvious ingredient and sure enough the symptoms > soon started..I went to the place where I'd > brought the wrap I'd eaten and asked and sure > enough quinoa was mixed in with its filling. > Quinoa seems to be shoved into everything these > days and since mentioning my allergy to friends > I've found someone else who it effects in the same > way. Oh, that's very interesting. I have eaten quite a bit of quinoa lately, but not in the last week. Unfortunately I can't really pin down when the really bad bloating started. I didn't take all that much notice at first, because I had read that steroids caused you to put on weight around the abdomen (?) Until I realised that far from the little bulge I had previously, I looked about eight months pregnant :)) And I was really uncomfortable most of the time. I think I've been eating far too much, and shovelling down beans, seeds and nuts because Dr Greger's book seemed to imply the more of this stuff you ate, the healthier you would be. I probably now need to do an elimination diet to try and find out the cause. What a pain. I have been writing down everything I've eaten and drunk for a year, but not usually the quantities. I'll look back and see when I first started the quinoa (I went out and bought it specially, as well!) But I suspect that different people have different reactions to different things. Though I have read that usually IBS has nothing to do with food allergies?

DulwichBorn&Bred Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > It a different type of B12 though. > Clearly I need to do some more research :))

Might Citizens Advice Bureau be able to help? If they still exist ....

DulwichBorn&Bred Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > The B12 in yeast triggered off my skin disorder so > that didn?t work for me and the supplements just > didn?t absorb properly with me so I stopped being > vegan despite trying it for over a year. That's weird, isn't it, considering you are only having the B12 to replace what you would otherwise be getting in a non vegan diet? It seems to be such a complicated subject!

yeknomyeknom Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Nutritional yeast is a good source of b12. It can > be added to any dish you make as an ingredient to > add umami (curry, pasta dishes etc) and also > sprinkled as a topping to dishes. I put it on > everything and have even been known to eat it on > its own. However, it is easy to ?hide? tonnes in > your cooking if you aren?t a fan. It?s low on > calories. Yes, it's great. I use Engevita. You can get it at Health Matters in Lordship Lane.

nxjen Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- I?m interested > in the relationship between stress and IBS: does > stress contribute to IBS or does a bout of IBS > make it more difficult to handle stress? Yes, it's a vicious circle, it seems. I have had a very stressful couple of years, during which I got two chronic illnesses, both of which may have been caused by stress and both of which greatly affected my life and stopped me doing things, so then having the illnesses caused additional stress (plus I had some unrelated visits to A and E on top of the hospital visits for the other illnesses). I moved to a mainly plant based diet very suddenly (gave away a load of food in my cupboard and freezer) as a result of reading the book "How Not To Die" which gives a great deal of scientific evidence about how certain foods lead to illness and other foods help the body to resist illness. It was all going fine until recently. However I then had two fast tracked hospital appointments for two different potentially serious things, with follow up tests etc, all within a few weeks, and it has been during that stressful time that what may or may not be IBS has got much much worse. And then the discomfort of the IBS and trying not to eat things which will make it worse, plus wondering if the symptoms could be due to something more serious, causes additional stress. So I do wonder how much is stress and how much is the diet, however it seems that once your body has succumbed to IBS it will never properly recover. I've only just started reading about it though, and I haven't yet been to the GP to get a diagnosis. Anyway, I'm adjusting the diet as a first step. I've been doing mindfulness meditation which I've found does help with the stress, but stressful external events are obviously outwith one's control. My best wishes to everyone else reading this who is coping with stress and illness. I think there are lots of us (and many much worse off than me, I know).

Sorry, double posted by mistake

And women didn't do paid work (mostly) and spent all their time at home cooking, cleaning, knitting and sewing ... And there weren't washing machines or hoovers .... And people died because there were no antibiotics. My mother lost her mother who died of peritonitis when she (my mother) was two years old. It wasn't all wonderful.

Thanks, New wave x

DulwichBorn&Bred Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > I had the same issue. I?ve got IBS and auto immune > illnesses and as a plant-based diet is heavy in > grains, nuts, seeds, legumes and carbs I ended up > with a constant swollen stomach as well as another > auto immune illness. I find I fare a lot better > with fish and the occasional grass fed/free range > meat with vegetables and fruits that isn?t too > taxing on the gut. Your body is your best guide. > Yep, I originally thought my swollen stomach was due to steroids I am on for an auto immune illness, but then after I went more or less completely plant-based it got much much worse. Anyway, long tedious story and I am sick of the sight of hospitals so I hope this doesn't lead to yet more of them :(

Fox, I'm sorry you are ill but it sounds as if your deficiency has been building up for a long time and/or is due to something other than eating more vegetables. A lot of plant-based foods, eg soya milk, are fortified with B12, precisely because people on a plant-based diet are not going to get it naturally in the foods they are eating. Anybody on a plant-based diet should be taking B12 supplements. For most people there is no problem with B12 being absorbed into the body by tablets. This thread is about to get lounged, I fear.

I'm having doubts about my plant-based diet. I think it's given me IBS. Which is a bit ironic as I changed my diet for health reasons. Too many beans, nuts and seeds I think. Plus all the other "How Not To Die" food recommendations, most of which appear to be things not to eat if you have IBS. :( :( :(

Excellent! Apart from the crackling! Hope you feel better soon x

Not intending to be funny, but you don't have to use a mobile only in your house! If you don't own a mobile because of the poor signal in your house, could you not phone them from somebody else's mobile or landline somewhere else? Only sometimes it's a lot quicker to sort things out over the phone (or by live chat online) because you aren't waiting for somebody to reply to an email. I imagine the terrible billing issues you had are a totally different department.

I can't help with your phone problems, but I'd just like to defend Plusnet, who really went the extra mile in sorting out an issue I had recently. Admittedly that was one particularly helpful person, had I had somebody else it might have been different. Could you not phone Plusnet via a mobile, btw?

Are you sure it had been in their recycling bin? Could the postie not have dropped it? ETA: Had the letter been opened?

Ah, OK, sorry, I misunderstood.

JohnL Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > https://www.southwarknews.co.uk/news/fears-after-s > eries-of-attacks-and-threatening-behaviour-toward- > women-and-toddlers-in-peckham-rye-park-and-east-du > lwich/ > > "A spokesperson from the Met?s central press > office declined to comment on the reported > incidents, saying that it could not ?waste time? > looking into ?non-serious? crimes that did not > involve ?terror attacks or murders? for this > publication." So the police are going to wait until this person commits a "serious" crime? That's reassuring. Not. Or maybe they need to get a new spokesperson .....

intexasatthe moment Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Thank you all for your helpful posts .I used a > couple of comparison sites and now have a new > policy and a saving of ?100s ! Excellent!

I did mine in the first couple of months, as it was free via an offer. So 600 pages free! HP have a Facebook page, and are extremely helpful via private messaging through that You could ask them what counts as a "page"? I assumed that it was, in fact, a page. Even if it only has one word on it. If they are going on ink usage, they should say so.

I've found it's a bit like having a water meter. I think twice before printing things out. It's good that unused pages roll over to the next month (indefinitely I think). I haven't run out of ink yet. I've found I get new cartridges from HP in good time. I always have a couple ready to be installed. I haven't found pictures being classed as several pages. The first couple of months I printed out a load of A4 photos. However what I have found is that there can be a lag between pages being printed out and them being counted by HP, so that you think you've got more pages left in your allowance than you actually have. I did start keeping a count, to compare, but it got too tedious ..... Have HP told you that they charge by ink not page in some cases, feefifofum? Because if so, that is pretty sharp practice as it's not what they clearly say they do.

If you stay with the same insurance company, my experience is that they keep increasing your premiums year on year, and you don't realise how expensive it has got because you never compare it. I was horrified to find out how uncompetitive my car insurance had got, a few years back. Half an hour on comparison sites and the money saving expert site helped me get a far cheaper quote. Generally I think it's cheaper to get combined buildings and contents insurance rather than separate policies. Anyway, it's immaterial to me as I'm stuffed. My premium has gone up 40% this year due to a subsidence claim, and I doubt anyone else will insure me. Ridiculous, as due to the remedial work it's now less likely that I'll have subsidence. But hey, the insurance company has to recoup the money it has spent, grrrrrr.

lindylou Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Does anyone remember that public school it in > Spain a couple of years ago? Absolutely wonderful > until he had a drink then his true self came out. > Calling people oils and lowlifes, laughing at > peihe considered lower than himself. He hid his > true feelings well, until the drink loosened his > tongue and he showed his true racist, snobby > colours of Je ne comprends pas :)

Great! Glad to hear it, Foxy! ETA: Maybe stop giving the foxes chicken? I'm sure they could be converted to veg, they dig up my tulip bulbs :))