kford

lozzyloz Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > The dangerous bits of Barry Rd are: > > * The junction with Underhill Rd > * The ridiculous angle for turning right into > Forest Hill Rd > * Cars parked too close to the corner opp Etherow > St Which cameras would not make safer. Nor, blinder999, would they stop tailgating. They will just be tailgating with their eyes half on the road, half on the speedo. It's what happens on average speed camera zones on the motorway (and in which accidents have actually RISEN since introduction (TRL595 http://www.safespeed.org.uk/trl595.html), but that's another story. Nor would they stop overtaking, because you can still maintain an average speed by slowing down or stopping before the second camera. A visual dialogue between all road users, in a zone clearly marked as such, would solve these problems.

Cllr, the shared surface schemes are great, so good for you for putting up with the flack in getting it through. They go some way to achieving the effects of the Dutch scheme, which, like PeckhamRose, I support fully. As a motorcyclist, cyclist, driver and pedestrian, I can see the benefit from all angles. Cameras would have to be placed on every exit of Barry Road, or they would only catch through motorists, and then only if they average the wrong speed for the the entire length of the route; it wouldn't stop them zooming up to 50, then crawling along behind the number 12 to get an average of 20. Again, too many variables. And if the sight lines are so clear on Barry Road, why the need for a camera-and-fine enforced 20 mph limit? Unless this is about making money?

True, but I was pointing out that disobeying speed limits is (officially) only a small part of the problem, and that other people's lives are being put at risk by other factors, some possibly linked to speed, most not, and that speed cameras are a clumsy and heavy-handed approach to a far more complicated issue. (tu)

And an alert driver in a new, roadworthy car travelling at 30 mph is less likely to hit the child than an uninsured driver on the phone in an unroadworthy car travelling at 20 mph. There are just too many variables. And there's the argument that cameras take the responsiblity of safe driving away from the motorist, along with their concentration. It's the 'I'm doing 18 mph, so I must be safe' mentality. But anyway, why should us law-abiding majority have to spend our journeys with our eyes on our speedos instead of on the road, just to catch out the rogues who will still be speeding?

It's a bit unfair, but if the charity shop gets ?8 for a jacket which is sold onto an unsuspecting American tourist in Camden Market for ?45, there's not much they can do.

I read that the more organised charity shops cream off the good stuff and sell it on ebay or in their 'flagship' W1 stores. The rest is nabbed by vintage clothing sellers and market traders, who'll be tipped off about anything interesting.

Gizzy Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Hi Kford, > > Cant really see the point as there is little to > nothing i can tell them other then it must have > happened on Friday or Saturday night. If it > happens again im going to sell the bloody car! > > Giz Giz, a policeman once told me that one should report every crime, however small and however remote the chances of detection. It stops politicians claiming the crime rates are down and means the police can apply for more resources and manpower. (tu)

There are clever ones which flash up your reg. Maybe they should have 'dickhead' added underneath.

There is also evidence, from the DoT (Sept 2006), that speeding is responsible only for 5% of accicents. That means that on Barry Road, for example, 95% of accidents are through other causes, like driver error, using mobile phones, being drunk/high/tired or driving too close to the car in front, driving an unroadworthy car. It would be a better use of resources, would it not, to target and educate drivers who fall into this category rather than the majority of law-abding drivers who may inadvertently stray above a 20 mph limit. Here are two possible solutions: 1. Remove all road markings and signage. The Dutch have experimented with this and found that the eye contact between drivers, cyclist and pedestrians made for safe and calm urban roads. See this BBC article: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/magazine/4213221.stm 2. Active road signs. The ones that flash up the limit, or your speed when you pass. There are a few already in Southwark, they work nicely in gently shaming passing speeders.

ED residents, especially those around Barry Road, look forward to your ?60 fines and three points for straying up to 24 mph when you pop to the tip.

These devices don't work on the real speeders, because their cars are not registered at the DVLA. And, according the police and DVLA, this is a growing problem, arguably aggravated by the influx of ANPR based speed and congestion camera systems. Average speed cameras also keep the eyes of us safe drivers fixed on the speedo and not the road, even when we're edging along at less than twenty. Look away for a second at just 20 mph and you've covered 30 feet. Next time you're in a SPECS average speed camera roadworks zone on the motorway, count how many times you look away from the road at your clocks. Plus, don't you think we're being watched enough these days?

Went there the other week. the BBQ now staddles the old main room and the ex-kebab shop, with space for seats running round the back. Looks very much like an overflow area. It's always been busy when we've eaten there, even mid week. It's bang on if you want a cheap, hearty meal or an alternative to a curry after a few beers. The musakka is great.

Isn't it just Hizar expanding their seating?

Gizzy Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > These stats dont fill me with joy.....esecially > after my car got keyed (again) this weekend. Did you report both incidents to the police?

Or Paddington.

And there's a Camberwell in Melbourne - it even has a Denmark Hill Road. Dulwich Hill: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:DulwichHill5.jpg

And good to see you've re-used the old Unwins chillers. Pity, I quite fancied one as a booze fridge in my shed.

Actually, I was wrong: it should've been 'packed with the bourgeoisie'. Apologies to the proletariat.

Or Honest Tony.

And the unecessary environmetal damage - isn't it a by-law offence to be parked with one's engine running for no good reason? Take a photo/film, post it here.

Ha!

Trains and buses packed with the proletariat - that's Ken's dream, isn't it?

Stretch limos

What tme of day was this?

And how do you carry a family's shopping on a bike?