DJKillaQueen

The French did get farming subsidies but we get subsidies too and European development money and so. It's just the French place an importance on the quality of the food they produce whereas we don't. The big supermarkets force farmers to grow hardy (but flavourless) varieties of crops - so they can be shipped around the world for packaging and then back to us. Strawberries are a very good example of that. Chicken is also something that has been meesed up. We used to grow a breed that takes six months to grow. It actually had a different shape but the important thing is that it was higher in protein content than fat. Now we rear a breed that takes only 12 weeks and is more fat than protein, and then is further injected with water and colourant. It's cheaper to produce and thefore sell, but is poor quality and nutritionally not very good for you. Supermarkets are an industry and everything about how they produce and sell food is industrial. They exist to dominate the market and make money, not to provide us with good nutrition and quality food (whilst bullying producers into non-profitability - as with milk). Bakeries, butchers, fishmongers, and markets have always been guaranteed ways of getting truly fresh food - but most have been forced out of business.

But the vehicle doesn't need tax and mot to get insurance (you only need driving licence and vehicle registration documents). You need the insurance to get the tax. So it wouldn't work the other way round. How do you think SORN vehicles are insured.

a pint of milk at exorbitant prices Would that be milk paid for so that the producer actually makes a profit unlike the chain stores that don't pay even what it costs to produce and thus have forced many dairy farmers out of business in the UK? Big Supermarkets in this country supply us with rubbish meat and rubbish fruit and vegetables with no flavour and we stupidly buy them. Give me a French supermarket anytime.

Post a pic of the trophy as well if you get one...then we can see if the judges really are paid more than the cost of the trophy.......;-)

As lardy as the woodworm eating the floorboard!

The only lock worth getting is something like a Squire D-lock (which had a flat key not tube). Padlocks are extremely easy to break as too are cheaper D-Locks. The squire I use cost me almost ?100 in todays money, but I haven't had a bicyle stolen in more than 15 years since I got it.

I listed my mountain bike complete with sticker and it still got nicked never to be seen again.

I don't think there's anything in it other than hard work and a desire by the gardeners to make a really good garden for us all to enjoy. The Sexby garden has taken four years to grow. Even if it had been prepared for judging, what is wrong with that? Anyone with a garden would do the same....only we all get to enjoy the results.

Yeah I was going to raise the surfacing of Rye Lane too...have been nagging them about that for a year now and all they've done is temp fill some of the deeper holes. It is so bad now that it needs to be done - even if it means closing the Lane to traffic for 48 hours. I'll bring it to the attention of the ward councillors - along with the cycle lane colour, and also the removal of the Cycle Lane at the Heaton Arms end too and see where we get. And will ask for it to be added to the Agenda of a CC meeting.

Is that the kind of eye make-up we need to wear to stop y'all looking at our bazookas? :))

I used the cycle contraflow today. What MUPPET and they really are a muppet, thought it was a good idea to have a pavement level cycle lane that is almost the same colour as the rest of the pavement with cycle symbols so small (etched into the paving slabs) that you have to struggle to see even if you are cycling on it. The result? I ran over two pedestrians who stepped onto the cycle lane right in front of me because they DON'T SEE IT'S A CYCLE LANE, and so don't look for cyclists. Thankfully I was only going at walking pace, because I'm sensible enough to see what a stupid lane it is. How long before someone really gets injured? It needs to be painted green (or some bold colour) so that it's clear that it's a cycle lane. *runs off to write letter of complaint and raise it at next CC meeting*

It all depends on what policy the bar operates under. Do they let 14-17 year olds in at the door? Does anyone go/see there enough to know if that's the case? There are four criteria under which an opposition can be lodged; 1. The prevention of crime and disorder 2. Public safety 3. The prevention of nuisance 4. The protection of children from harm - anything else will not be considered - So anti-social behaviour - including noise would be a ground for opposing the licence under the prevention of nuisance. This certainly could be sucessful in denying the extended hours on a Thursday, as it is midweek - and I would expect (from experience) if there is enough opposition, it would be successful on those grounds. The issue of Sunday might be a bit more tricky because 12.30 am is not the same as 2.30am but again there might be a case for arguing for an earlier closing time. In any case I'd advise those residents who want to oppose to look at what licenses (opening/ closing times) other bars in the vicinity operate under. If The Adventure Bar is applying for something not common for that area then it could be argued that the later closing times would be 'additional' noise and nuisance. And make the neighbouring residents aware of the application. A letter of oppostion with a supporting petition would be recognised as a strong opposition (just make sure that everyone signing the petition has read the letter and is signing as verification of having read and supporting the contents).

Selective reading and misinterpretation could damage an objection... Which is why I posted the conditions in entirity Kalamity...nothing selective at all. There is no stipulation as to where 14-18 years olds may or may not go....so technically there is no requirement for door staff to refuse entry to that age group nor is there any requirement to not allow them in the bar area. Given that some posters have claimed that underage drinking takes place at the premises (I don't know if that's true or not) I simply make the point that if you allow underage people into a bar with the onus only on bar staff not to sell alcohol to them, then it doesn't take Einstein to work out that adults could easily buy alcohol for them instead. There are lots of bars that don't allow anyone under 18 or 21 even into their premises - it's a good way to make sure you can't be accused of underage drinking. And yes lots of pubs allow 14 years olds in when accompanied by adults, usually to eat. That's sensible. But there is no sense in allowing 14 year olds into a bar til 2am. So maybe it's time to change those 'standard' licensing conditions. As for anti-social behaviour. Residents should never have to put up with that. Just because some idiotic British people vomit and so on doesn't mean we should ever get used to it. Bars could refuse to serve people who are idiotically drunk (and some do) but often they don't because all they care about is the profit (which is the only reason for the licence application after all). On the continent I have regularly seen people refused service once bar staff think they've had enough (because yes, in some countries people get as drunk as us Brits) and why? Because the bar takes repsonsibility for the behaviour that happens outside the premises as much as inside. Here many bars take no responsibility once they chuck people out. I don't personally know much about The Adventure Bar, the people that go there, or those that live nearby...but I know that I wouldn't be happy with being next door to a bar that suddenly opens till 2.30 am on a Thursday night, nor would I be happy with anyone urinating or vomitting in my garden (if I had one). So find the lack of sympathy for some of those affected in those ways on here a bit mystifying.

Yes really. Here is the full list of conditions to the license being applied for. 127 - Alcohol shall not be sold or supplied unless it is paid for before or at the time when it is sold or supplied, except alcohol sold or supplied: a.With and for consumption at a meal supplied at the same time, consumed with the meal and paid for together w ith the meal; b.For consumption by a person residing in the premises or his guest and paid for together with his accommodation; c.To a canteen or mess. 112 - No person under fourteen shall be in the bar of the licensed premises during the permitted hours unless one of the following applies a.He is the child of the holder of the premises licence b.He resides in the premises, but is not employed there c.He is in the bar solely for the purpose of passing to or from some part of the premises which is not a bar and to and from which there is no other convenient means of access or egress d.The bar is in railway refreshment rooms or other premises constructed, f itted and intended to be used bona fide for any purpose to which the holding of the licence is ancilla. In this condition "bar" includes any place exclusively or mainly used for the consumption of intoxicating liquor. But an area is not a bar when it is u sual for it to be, and it is, set apart for the service of tablemeals and alcohol is only sold or supplied to persons as ancillary to their table meals. 110 - No statutory regulations for music and dancing shall apply so as to require any licence for the provision in the premises of public entertainment by the reproduction of wireless (including television) broadcasts or of programmes included in any programme service (within the meaning of the Broadcasting Act 1990) other than a sound or television broadcasting service, or of public entertainment by way of music and singing only which is produced solely by the reproduction of recorded sound is permitted. 111 - This licence provides for the provision of private music and dancing entertainment that is promoted for private gain; 841 - The rear garden area is not to be used by customers. 840 - No open drinks containers to be taken outside of the premises. 487 - The responsible person shall ensure that free tap water is provided on request to customers where it is reasonably available. 488 - (1) The premises licence holder or club premises certificate holder shall ensure that an age verification policy applies to the premises in relation to the sale or supply of alcohol. (2). The policy must require individuals who appear to the responsible person to be under 18 years of age (or such older age as may be specified in the policy) to produce on request, before being served alcohol, identification bearing their photograph, date of birth and a holographic mark. 489 - The responsible person shall ensure that - (a) Where any of the following alcoholic drinks is sold or supplied for consumption on the premises (other than alcoholic drinks sold or supplied having been made up in advance ready for sale or supply in a securely closed container) it is available to customers in the following measures - (i) Beer or cider: 1/2 pint; (ii) Gin, rum, vodka or whisky: 25 ml or 35 ml; and (iii) Still wine in a glass: 125 ml; and (b) Customers are made aware of the availability of these measures 485 - (1) The responsible person shall take all reasonable steps to ensure that staff on relevant premises do not carry out, arrange or participate in any irresponsible promotions in relation to the premises. (2) In this paragraph, an irresponsible promotion means any one or more of the following activities, or substantially similar activities, carried on for the purpose of encouraging the sale or supply of alcohol for consumption on the premises in a manner which carries a significant risk of leading or contributing to crime and disorder, prejudice to public safety, public nuisance, or harm to children (a) games or other activities which require or encourage, or are designed to require, encourage, individuals to (i) drink a quantity of alcohol within a time limit (other than to drink alcohol sold or supplied on the premises before the cessation of the period in which the responsible person is authorised to sell or supply alcohol), or (ii) drink as much alcohol as possible (whether within a time limit or otherwise); (b) provision of unlimited or unspecified quantities of alcohol free or for a fixed or discounted fee to the public or to a group defined by a particular characteristic (other than any promotion or discount available to an individual in respect of alcohol for consumption at a table meal, as defined in section 159 of the Act); © provision of free or discounted alcohol or any other thing as a prize to encourage or reward the purchase and consumption of alcohol over a period of 24 hours or less; (d) provision of free or discounted alcohol in relation tot he viewing on the premises of a sporting event, where that provision is dependent on- (i) the outcome of a race, competition or other event or process; or (ii) the likelihood of anything occurring or not occurring; (e) selling or supplying alcohol in association with promotional posters or flyers on, or in the vicinity of, the premises which can reasonably be considered to condone, encourage or glamorise anti-social behaviour or to refer to the effects of drunkenness in any favourable manner. 486 - The responsible person shall ensure that no alcohol is dispensed directly by one person into the mouth of another (other than where that person is unable to drink without assistance by reason of a disability). 346 - That all CCTV footage shall be kept for a period of thirty one (31) days and shall, upon request, be made available to Officers of the Police and Council. 347 - That a Personal Licence Holder is on the premises and on duty at all times that intoxicating liquor is supplied. 344 - That suitable notices shall be displayed and announcements made requesting people to leave the premises in a quiet and order manner so as not to disturb local residents. 345 - That CCTV system to be installed at the premises and be maintained iin good working order and to be continually recording at all times the premises are in use under the licence. The CCTV system must be capable of capturing an image of every person who enters the premises. 342 - That signs shall be displayed in the entrance foyer to the premises that state "Drugs Free Zone" and "No Search No Entry. Management reserves the right to refuse entry" 343 - That all matters relating to drugs shall be in accordance with the Metropolitan Police Best Practice Guide on the handling of drugs in pubs and clubs. 341 - That they are provided with hand held metal detection unit in order to ensure that searches can be carried out at random, and mechanical counting devices to ensure that the maximum accommodation limit of the premises is not exceeded. 340 - That SIS registered Door Supervisor shall be employed at all times after 22.00hours until the terminal hour that the premises are use under this licence on days where the terminal hour is after 00.30 hours (covering the late night opening only). 109 - Alcohol shall not be sold or supplied except during permitted hours. In this condition permitted hours are stated in part 1 but also include; a.On Good Friday, 12 noon to 10.30.p.m. b.On Christmas Day, 12 noon to 3.00.p.m. and 7.00.p.m. to 10.30.p.m. c.On New Year's Eve from the end of permitted hours on New Year's Eve to the start of permitted hours on the following day (or, if there are no permitted hours on the following day, midnight on 31st December). The above restrictions do not pr ohibit; i)During the first twenty minutes after the above hours the consumption of the alcohol on the premises; ii)During the first twenty minutes after the above hours, the taking of the alcohol from the premises unless the alcohol is supplied or taken in an open vessel; iii)During the first thirty minutes after the above hours the consumption of the alcohol on the premises by persons taking meals there if the alcohol was supplied for consumption as ancillary to the meals; iv)Consumption of the alcoh ol on the premises or the taking of sale or supply of alcohol to any person residing in the licensed premises; v)The ordering of alcohol to be consumed off the premises, or the dispatch by the vendor of the alcohol so ordered; vi)The sale of alcohol to a trader or club for the purposes of the trade or club; vii)The sale or supply of alcohol to any canteen or mess, being a canteen in which the sale or supply of alcohol is carried out under the authority of the Secretary of State or an authorised mess of members of Her Majesty's naval, military or air forces; viii)The taking of alcohol from the premises by a person residing there; or ix)The supply of alcohol for consumption on the premises to any private friends of a person residing there who are bona fide entertained by him at his own expense, or the consumption of alcohol by the persons so supplied; or x)The supply of alcohol for consumption on the premises to persons employed there for the purposes of the business carried on by the holder of the l icence, or the consumption of alcohol so supplied, if the alcohol is supplied at the expense of their employer or the person carrying on, or in charge of, the business on the premises. 101 - Every supply of alcohol under the Premises Licence must be made, or authorised by, a person who holds a Personal Licence. 100 - No supply of alcohol may be made under the Premises Licence - a.At a time when there is no Designated Premises Supervisor in respect of the Premises Licence; or b.At a time when the Designated Premises Supervisor does not hold a Personal Licence or his Personal Licence is suspended.

112 - No person under fourteen shall be in the bar of the licensed premises during the permitted hours unless one of the following applies a.He is the child of the holder of the premises licence b.He resides in the premises, but is not employed there c.He is in the bar solely for the purpose of passing to or from some part of the premises which is not a bar and to and from which there is no other convenient means of access or egress d.The bar is in railway refreshment rooms or other premises constructed, f itted and intended to be used bona fide for any purpose to which the holding of the licence is ancilla. In this condition "bar" includes any place exclusively or mainly used for the consumption of intoxicating liquor. But an area is not a bar when it is u sual for it to be, and it is, set apart for the service of tablemeals and alcohol is only sold or supplied to persons as ancillary to their table meals. I think that pretty clearly says that any person 14 or over can be in the bar at any time. There are seperate clauses for the sale of alcohol itself (to persons over 18 only). It is part of the terms of the license being applied for and means that if a group of 14 years olds what to go to that bar late on a Friday night, they can (although the management reserve the right to refuse entry).

I notice that in the liscensing small print that any person over 14 year of age is allowed to be in the bar (not buying alcohol of course)...that seems like an open invitation to underage drinking to me. They are supposed to ask for ID if someone 'looks' to be underage. But all they need is for an adult to buy alcohol at the bar for them. That I think is something that can be taken up with the council....to restrict the hours that 14-18 year olds can be on the premises - after all should any 14 year old be in a bar at 2am in the morning? According to the licence application the Sunday hours are til 12.30 (not 2.30) but the Thursday application is til 2.30 which I think local residents have a good case for opposing - given that LL is not a city centre. Also note that that the sale of alcohol is to stop a half hour before closing.

LOL....I love a good pet reunited story. Shows as well how invaluable it is to chip your pets.

Doesn't matter where or how you left it - doesn't give anyone the right to steal it. Might be worth you checking some of the local shops that sell second hand bikes - in case it turns up there....otherwise it sounds pretty distinctive, and I cycle everywhere so will keep an eye out in case I overtake it :)).....I'm sure others will do the same.

I took my cats to the last one and yes I had to wait, but for no more than an hour and considering it is a FREE (donation only) service - I am extremely grateful that other people donate enough to the RSPCA for them to be able to do this. Most of the dogs that turn up are very well behaved I found and it was little trouble to keep my cats away from any curious ones.

lol....souls on holiday I suspect.........

No, apparently they are farmed.

I hope you're not suggesting a plant! Obviously I'm reading that wrong (hopefully) No didn't mean that at all....lol.....but report it to the police if people are using illegal drugs on the premises. As stereforth says above, the police and council should act on those types of complaint. I completely respect someone opposing the late license - but this does feel a little bit like reading the Daily Mail. You are missing the point Chips...it's the Sunday and Thursday licence that the main poster is objecting to. And yes while there is some...I wouldn't say snobbery....but resistence to change.....there's nothing wrong with legitimate complaint about the behaviour of some people when drunk and in the early hours of the morning. It is generally worse accross the country's town centres than it was 30 years ago, and drugs are part of the problem. It is perfectly valid to say that and to then ask why and what can be done. I've often popped down to LL late on Friday and Saturday nights to the 24 shop and yes it's noisy but more from chatter than anti-social behaviour. So it might be that the problems are more to do with closing time. City centres use Police to monitor late night revellers but obviously that won't happen in LL. Southwark council do however have an anti-social behaviour unit who could be used to monitor random evenings at closing time. It would be well worth referring complaints to them also.

KalamityKel Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > You'd have to build a strong case up with the > police and the council If people are taking illegal drugs on the premises (as has been alluded to) and you can prove it then that would be grounds for revoking the license....just an idea. The onus is on the premises to do all they can to prevent illegal drug use.

It tastes like rabbit.

I think it has to be about balance. It is reasonable that a bar might want to be open late on a fri/ sat and that if you live near to one you will be disturbed. But is there any reason for that bar to need to open late on a Sunday? I think it is perfectly reaosnable that local residents should have peace and quiet at least one night a week. Yes some people don't work Mon-Fri but the vast majority of people who work, still do. And all children have to be at school the next day. For those of you that are regularly disturbed, it might be worth looking at the terms of their current licence too. Just as the council can decide not to grant the new licence, they can also take away the previous licence if there are grounds to do so. Definitely get local councillors on board too.