sillywoman

Not sure why you wouldn't for these 2,3,& 4 month innoculations? What are the arguments against and how evidence based are they?

Very sound principle goosemum. :)

Hmm yeah, that's true. Hadn't thought of that Pickle - being cooped up with a toddler in winter isn't good.

TJ Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > In a word, No. > These are 4 yr olds.... > > trinity Wrote: > -------------------------------------------------- > ----- > > I am not very familiar with the school but is > it > > possible to open another entrance to the school > in > > order to spread out the area over which people > are > > parking. > > > > I know that there are also walking buses to > > Goodrich. Could this idea be tweaked so that > > children could be dropped off at designated > points > > on surrounding roads and walked into school from > a > > short distance. Can the 4 year olds at Goodrich not walk then? I thought a modified 'walking bus' from nearby dropping off points was a great idea, but I don't have a child there either so apologies for being on this thread. No offense meant.

It would need to be full length & boned by a professional corsetier (with some uplift padding in appropriate places) to get me into one! The beach is a trial at the best of times. No way.

pilsbury Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Thanks for all the advice and PMs too, much > appreciated > As I'm off on holiodays for the next fortnight and > keen just to get a date in for my 12 wk scan, I've > told the Gardens I've elected for Kings as that is > unlikely to change. > I will however, look up more on Brierley when I > get back as I'd thought that Brierley was just for > home birth? Are they private or something? They're not private pilsbury, they're an NHS team you can self refer to. Without wishing to scaremonger; if you wait until you get back from your holiday you may find it extremely difficult to get a place on any of the highly recommended midwifery teams - Brierly included. These teams are highly prized, they operate on a caseload basis & so can only take a specified number of women, I've often heard of women contacting them at 10 weeks pregnant to be told they're full & having to be put on a waiting list. Having been smart enough to check out the different levels of maternity care available to you so early in your pregnancy, I'd urge you to follow up your chosen route before you go, to avoid a frustrating time on your return.

OK, so shortie suits or full length?

Right Decathlon here I come - Thanks Fuschia & candj. North sea in April - here we come!!! (Well, them - not actually me, no way).

We usually holiday in northern France & I've been wondering about biting the bullet & getting wetsuits for the children as they love to go in the sea. What I wondered is - are they worth the outlay? Would they make a substantial difference to their warmth & comfort? If they are worth it, can anyone recommend a particular brand, or place to get them from? Thanks SW.

I'm very sad that what was a supportive thread for a woman who had an unacceptable experience in a local shop has descended into ill informed accusations and name calling. Mostly by people coming in late to a discussion and twisting words or phrases from well meaning posters to misrepresent them. There is no militant breastfeeding vigilantism here, there's no one out to 'remove someone's livelihood', or any of the other unpleasant and twisted interpretations some of you have chosen to put on the support that the community has offered to this woman. We can support her without wishing to destroy or otherwise harm him you you know. Some of you present yourselves as very nasty people indeed. A bad thing happened in our community, it was reported & discussed on our community forum. Some complaints were made through the right channels and were followed up correctly by the charity concerned. That should've (and probably would've) been the end of it. But now the he-said, she-said arguments have become so twisted and tortured that the original incident has lost all clarity. And somehow those who wanted to express support for the woman in that original incident have been misrepresented & vilified as being part of some "breastfeeding militantism" - which just isn't true and cannot be justified by reading any of our posts in the context they were written. Yes, there was some early suggestion of 'non-aggressive direct action', but as Mind responded well to the complaint that was quickly dropped, and was anyway, initially rather a tongue in cheek suggestion. There was good humor in the early part of this thread. It's certainly been a lesson to me as to how people don't read things correctly and are led to misinformation, accusation & counter accusation. But I'd like to say "enough now", a lot of damage has been done here, possibly more than the was done in the original incident itself. I'm bowing out now, still supporting a parents right to feed a baby anywhere without risk of being challenged, but not on this thread any more. Thanks everyone for your input. It's been very heartening to know that despite the odd nutter, most of the people I live around are broadminded, warm & kind & fairminded people. That's why I love living in ED, & I suppose even the nutters just help to make it interesting?

Although, (having also had both) I think I preferred having a winter baby, I could spend the first month or so snuggled up with her feeding & snoozing, safe in the knowledge that there wasn't much going on outside our window anyway. When time came to start taking her out & about to groups & whatnot, I'd lost some of that baby weight so felt better about exposing myself (not talking nipples here - more generally, legs etc!) in the summer sun, & she was able to really enjoy the freedom of the good weather. With my summer babies having to wear lightweight summer clothes with all the excess babyweight wasn't a good experience!

Daizie - there may be people in your world who don't like looking at you, but hopefully they don't tell you to wear a paper bag or go home. Just 'cos you don't like it doesn't mean its wrong - the world is bigger than you.

As I said in a previous post to Keef, Helenahandbasket, you could be right about the media in society thing. But, the moral implications of people discussing their feelings and perceptions of a local incident on a local forum is really another thread all of its own. There's no lynch mob (as Magpie would have it)out for this guy, and no punishment other than for his actions to be made known to a wider audience. The issue for you & Keef seems to be that you don't think this incident should've been discussed on a forum in the first place. Without being rude, I do think that that issue is a sideline to this thread, it's a bit off topic and maybe needs a thread of its own? As for the man's mental health, well, speculation is pointless, he may have mental health issues? He may be a big softie? he may be a nasty piece of work? We'll probably never know. But whatever he is, or has it doesn't excuse his actions or the attitudes accompanying them to an inoffensive and innocent woman & her children. The only sense of shame I have over this issue is that there are still members of the community I live in who seem to feel that his actions are justifiable in some way, and the more I & others point out that they're not the less they want to hear it.

Ted Max Wrote: Why do I care? Because it got on my tits. > That is all. Very good Ted Max :))

Justified anger is not a pitchfork response. Cate; as someone else has said, she wasn't blocking the changing room - she was trying on jumpers. Please read the original posts which explain the whole situation. Lovely post Molly. And, yes there are a few dinosaurs on here who don't seem to think it appropriate for a woman (or man?) to feed their baby in a shop without asking some sort of permission. To you guys I would say; it's nothing to do with good manners, the nose blowing analogy is a good one. You sound like you really need to examine your attitudes to how the needs of babies are met in our society, you're coming across as 'sprayers' yourselves. I do wonder how many of you have tried shopping with young babies/ toddlers?

I think that Stella was run off her feet, but that now (since last Autumn?) she has another midwife working with her so hopefully almost all the antenatal appointments now are with a midwife.

snowboarder, have pm'd you to say. You did have a 'rite of passage' - one that was specific to your own circumstances around the birth of your baby. It's normal to feel a sense of loss, but women who have a vaginal birth often feel that loss too. Whether it's because they had an epidural when they wished they hadn't, or didn't get the epidural in time & wished they had, or had the baby in hospital instead of at home or vice versa. I often think that loss & regret for what might've been are as much a part of the spectrum of childbirth as the experience itself. Thanks for sharing how you feel about your C-sections snowboarder, helenahandbasket & smiler. The more open women are, the less taboo's around the subject there will be. Wow, see what interesting debates that programme provokes!

I'm with mumra on this one. It seems to be a typical bit of tabloid journalism - hardly surprising - from The Mail. It's a little sensationalist, but otherwise seems to be a fairy accurate reportage of the incident. They've just said what happened. I don't feel anything about the manager's picture being on the internet. That's part a larger issue about the role of the media in the society we live in, one which you clearly feel very strongly about Keef, as is your right. As far as I could see the pointing out his facial piercings was just a quote from the Mum's description of him? If I feel uncomfortable at all (& I'm not sure that I do) it's on behalf of MIND. As others have said they seemed willing to respond , though to my mind (no pun intended) a little slow to acknowledge the full extent of their responsibilities for ensuring their staff understand how unacceptable these attitudes are. I don't think their willingness to respond, at least at the top level, was made clear enough in the Mail article. I have to disagree strongly with Cate though. I say again; why do you think it's reasonable for a woman to have to ask permission to feed her baby? As Belle pointed out, would you feel the same way if she was using a bottle? Keef, I'm sorry that my anger, & that of some others, over this issue has made you a bit uncomfortable, but I stand firmly by it. Some things are just plain wrong.

C-section is birth by a different route. It's still a birth, The birth of a baby. No second best about it.

Sorry, didn't mean to use "bog standard" as a pejorative. Rather to distinguish it from the exceptional (by national standards) types of care available at some other midwifery practices.

I don't think that applies at The Gardens Fuschia? I think that the system they operate means you get antenatal check ups from Stella or the other midwife (can't recall her name?) who are based at The Gardens surgery - once a month until 36 weeks, then at 38 weeks & 40 weeks, weekly thereafter. Then when you go into labour you go to Kings as a 'just pitching up' Mum. The Kings community midwives will provide your postnatal care in your home (Stella is part of that team so she might be one of the midwives that visit you at home, or might not). I don't think The Gardens has a community team attached to them like The Lanes team at DMC, or The Oakwood at forest hill. It's just bog standard community & hospital based care. But things change all the time & I'd be very happy if someone can tell me different?

PMSL at poor Fabio in the chair hotching forward, and again, and again with Joy huffing at him from the bed. And the bit with the baby clothes, they were just such a tele-genic coupe all through really. And just lovely together after such a long and stressful induction. I was impressed Joy got as far as she did without pain relief given her horrible situation - she was a star. And, Elvis! OMG, so funny.

Ahhhhh, big happy sigh . . . I wish mine came out as easily as the lady having her 5th. I loved that new midwife too - did you see her incredulous expression when she was being shown the chart & told that "we expect women to dilate 1cm an hour and if they don't then we consider taking some action" - a classic. I wonder if she'll find the restrictions of a big CLU hard after coming from a birth centre?

No offense at all Keef, no need for apology. What qualifications does she have then? I thought she did have "proper qualifications"? (apologies for off topic too).

OK, sorry Magpie - maybe you didn't deserve such an angry response? Fury got the better of me. However I still stand by the content if not the tone of my post. There is no excuse for making a woman feel bad for breastfeeding her baby in a changing room anywhere, for however long. None. And why on earth should she need to ask permission? That's the bit I don't get. And I don't have a"hysterical lynch mob attempting to get the guy fired". Just me, asking you how you can justify your opinions.