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For me it was all about Transformers. Dungeons and Dragons was pretty good too.

Allfornun - It's true. I live a couple of minutes away so I'm always in there after work. The bar menu is good but I would suggest you go for the upper part as that is where the restaurant menu is served. works out to about 40-50 per head depending on how many courses and wine you go for. Jahlush - yes it has been fixed up A LOT since you were there. Not to say it was that bad before mind. It also has private dining/function rooms upstairs. See pictures http://www.therosendale.co.uk/

And the winner is....... The Rosendale! Just had a meal there in the restaurant side which was good and wine which was amazing: Viognier and Muscat :) The waiter told me that they had won today and beat Monsieur Ramsay to the title. http://www.thisislondon.co.uk/restaurants/article-23412576-details/Gordon%20tastes%20defeat...%20again/article.do

In saying that I'd like an office, bull frogs (clpaham and greenwich) or sole trader to open up.

Jump the shark means - ran out of ideas in tv drama speak. But I suppose in this context means sold out perhaps. Although I am lately thinking it's the tv version as Chandelier, this expensive gym without a pool and the white stuff all lend to people doing anything to justify taking other peoples' money. Thems my views! http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jump_the_shark Brockley is getting very good press nowadays, i've seen a few articles nationally and rgionally. great housing stock. Lots of greenspaces. next to more edgy areas - New Cross and Lewisham and has some nice shops especially nearer the Honor Oak end. there's also a lot of pride in their area.

For me it's Nunhead or Brockley.

@ Sean - I thought you might like that :) AB - I agree, the credit crunch is what has affected NR but that was their business model and the model of others sanctioned by the FSA which to be fair is quite stringent as regards solvency and liquidity ratios. A good cartoon from the Telegraph today (before you say it I read allfour of the traditional broadsheets!) http://www.telegraph.co.uk/opinion/graphics/2007/09/18/ixd18big.jpg

I don't advocate having shops that will attract trouble but there should be shops for all. There is a difference and it is fair and equitable that it should be so.

The fact is that no independent reatiler has come to LL to sell affordable items they are marketed at a particular segment and yes I like and buy a lot of this but how about everyone who doesn't like/can't buy these sorts of things. Where do they go? Down to Peckham or Camberwell? Should they have to? A good highstreet is a mixture. The fllodgaes argument is scaremongering. There is enough civic pride and monitoring by floks here and elsewhere to resist an identiki make up of the street but at the moment it is turning into a playground for those who can afford and that's not something that sits well with me.

There is a nasty undercurrent of snobbery which surfaces quite frequently. No I don't shop in Mark One but there are some people who perhaps can't afford all the thing s going on on LL. There a people on tighter budgets, lower wages etc... Why does everyone seem to think LL is some middle class utopia - it isn't. There were plenty of people who lived here before the newbies arrived and the very well will be there once the trendy newbies have had enough of the inner city so yes they should be catered for too. It's called diversity.

lozzyloz - my point being that mortgages are premised on them being solvent in respect of their asset value, however cyclically the market value of the mortgaged properties will fall below the amount of the mortgage loans - especially when bought at the peak of a cycle. It's nothing new. The newness is the sub-prime issue and some of what you have said. But were the offers by these institutions helpful in getting some onto the property ladder who would not have been able to before? - remember all the cries about average joes being left behind. It was alright for those on the ladder but not the ones coming after. I am grateful to NR for getting me on in the first place. I watched for 3 years, prior to me buying, the value of housing go through the roof. If I was on the same money (with discount for inflation) then I'd be living in a good sized house on a nice road. As it is my wages afford me a flat. And without trying to sound smug or anything of the sort I am not on a pittance. In reality house prices galloped away because of the buy to let phenomenon and because others had access to capital through equity release and perhaps the most destructive of forces - the private developer making 8 flats from one house or converting it to 3 flats. Therefore families can't afford houses as they are competing with developers and buy to letters who stand to make large profits so can put up more money. This has led us to where we are. Interest rates and inflation have definitely played a huge part but demographics and sharp business practice is really why property inflation has far outstripped that of wages. In terms of where willthe government raise the money - it's from us.

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> They are all still essentially solvent because those mortgage loans still have the same asset value. > Until the market value of the mortgaged properties falls below the amount of the mortgage loans? Has it not always been so?

What are they?

Yep last time I went but was a couple of years ago now. Maybe someone who has been more recently can confirm.

I find them deeply patronising. Better get back on topic.

Peckham certainly has a lot of challenges but not all of it is bad (Bellenden end). As I said go nice and early to the market and you'll be fine. If you live in London you should be able to negotiate your way around.

I agree entirely with the post above. Northern Rock to be fair hasn't mismanaged itself beyond not using stress testing for when banks wouldn't lend to it. If it had as much savings held with it as HSBC it would be fine, but it doesn't. It will be taken over or split up soon enough and 'hopefully' this round of jitters will go. But there are still bad times ahead in the midterm for the economy as a whole - inflation is on the rise.

You're talking about the Rosendale allotments. i've got my name down but have a few more years to wait :( In the meantime I will practice keeping by belongings safe as per all the council and police public information posters.

I don't think so. Peckham has some nice cakes from a guy that goes to Borough, not seen him at Dul College.

nutty Wrote: > > I'll happily be the first to admit to already > having spent a small fortune in white stuff.... > I'm sure there are others on here keeping quiet... Well at least you were honest :). I must say I've not been tempted to walk in, the clothes look like a plain version of walking/surfer type clothing.

Been to both. I used to live in Peckham for a while. If you get there early it is really good. best not to go late! Dulwich is not great at all really, just a nice venue but I like my cheeses and beer and never find myself that tempted.

I still don't know anyone who shops in the White Stuff - maybe it's a front for something... me thinks the clue might lie in the name?

Couldn't agree more. Granted state schools in south london are generally speaking not great but even so ED schools which are fine are not head and shoulders above. The state schools in the village are 'decent' dut then again there's a state primary school near Tulse Hill that comes within the top 1% in the country. And prices for property are much cheaper. Transport links again in Tulse hill are really good what with Thameslink and trains to London Bridge, Croydon and Victoria. I'm not estolling the virtues of one area over another but merely wondering where the premium comes from. In the Village it is palpable what you are paying for - space, amenity, school catchment area, village feel and look, gallery, park etc... but for the victorian terraces back in ED I am not so sure. I hope I am wrong about ED but can't for the life of me work it out. When IO bought my apartment 3 years ago the price for ED and West Duliwch were the same, but now ED is more than ?100k more expensive for such an apartment. Yes ED is getting the tube, has a long high street with nice bars and restaurants but that is where the advantage ends. When interest rates go up and affordability is squeezed where will the 'smart' money go?

It is definitely oversensationalised. It won't go under LlyodsTSB already offered to take it over. But the Treasury/FSA said no - there should be an auction. But that news could have calmed everyone down straight away. I wish I had a spare 5k I would buy some shares right now!