MrBen

If you look at this plan and also the Oakhurst Grove development, I think we're going to see more of these types of applications from higher end developers pushing the envelope of what has been traditionally possible from a planning perspective.

> But not too far outside the safety of the original > East Dulwich Parish boundary. > > John K Zzzzzzzzzzzz

I could happily live down there. Amazing fishing and countryside. MM has been one of the most reasoned and intelligent posters in forum history. All the best chap.

I can just feel someone about to post that Flock & Herd's font is not inter-war but art deco. Either way I think you get the point. It didn't all naturally happen this way. The new shop owners really thought about it. Long and hard. And then the thought about it again. Before going to a man in a Dalston workshop who's about to knock out some more for Walthamstow. To quote Woodrot: "They have arrived".

General Store, Andersons, Flock and Herd....

ElmGrove Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Cartoonish? How so? Because it has to be one of the most stylised and rapid high street take overs in recent years. Inter-war fonts on the shop sign? Check Carefully positioned WWII bicycle with vintage basket? Check Waxed moustache and/or beard? check I like going out round there. It's fun and beats East Dulwich hands down for energy, interesting bars and new stuff happening. But people can get too serious with the irony. And when I see "Peckham Hotspot" type articles in the EasyJet inflight magazine....it's not exactly underground.

Is this the official Peckham gentrification thread? Has everyone checked the maps?? I'm glad to see the area improve so quickly. It IS starting to have a Disneyland/filmset feel to it though. There's something definitely cartoonish about Bellenden Road that doesn't feel quite right. "Airlifted from Williamsburg" remains one of my favourite Woodrot-isms.

Here's a question. The prev incarnation was Black Cherry and they built out into the garden at the back. It lost them natural light at the back and some intimacy at the bar but gained them another 20-odd covers. Was it the right thing to do?

They are indeed. Tomorrow could be the mother load.

Breaking Bad finale launch was this week in LA. The last eight episodes start screening on US TV on August 11th. The final episode will be shown live outdoors in Hollywood's Forever Cemetery on Sunday Sept 29th. For us lot in the UK, Netflix have secured rights to show each episode a few hours after starting on 12th August. Final episode will be released in UK on Monday 30th Sept. I've managed to get access to a small private cinema (with bar!) and looking at hiring it to stream it on Mon 30th (7pm ish). I suspect I may need the bar - I predict a harrowing end for Walt.

UncleBen Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Rubbish place imo, ate there once, not again. And > look at their hygiene score! Jah is friends with > staff in their so he would say that. Be nice to see you post something positive about a business or in fact anyone one day. Perhaps that's asking too much. What a total misery bollocks you are.

My point was not: - To complain about incomers whether from Clapham or wherever. - To make out that people getting priced out of cities and heading to the country hasn't always been happening. It has. It was that right now the frequency of the exodus in a specific age range has increased and that the types of earners its happening to has changed too i.e. the relatively affluent. When a high number of professional types get priced out of very ordinary parts of suburban south London (not, say, Notting Hill) that hasn't happened before. And when most are in the 35-45 bracket, which is also the time when your lifetime earning power peaks, that tells me that something is badly wrong, with house prices, with London, with the economy. Seems like most on this thread who are confidently saying they are staying and why also own their own home. Or in Otta's case this is their roots and they'll hang on as long as they can. Be good to hear from some who don't.

Mick, I'm guessing your pals all got on the SE22 ladder back when a houses were affordable for average 30-somethings. They're not now.

> Also, I think now that Mr Ben has moved to the > other side of LL, its only fair that his ED pals > are no longer speaking to him. But I have friends > just about to make the same upmarket move to his > road - I'll give him an introduction. :) Upmarket? A 3 bed terrace in South London? Really??! :-) From what I can tell I'm the youngest guy on our street by about 10 years. People wash their cars, have rules for putting bins out and wear golf jumpers. It's a bit stuffy. Kids play viloins. WELCOME.

StraferJack Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > What is happening now isn't the same as before > Jeremy. That's his point > > People moving on and moving in and out is as old > as the city > > What is different is the volume if people in > professional jobs moving not because they are > having families or want out, but because they > have. > > Previously the jump from flat to house was doable. > No more. > > Rent was an affordable second option. No more > > I'm moving. But I don't want to This exactly. The difference now is that there is no choice. You can have two decent professional type salaries (say 90K combined), live in your own flat/rent and still not be able to buy a basic house in this hum drum area of south London. That gives you no choice but to move out and if you're going to move out, you might as well move out out (credit: Micky Flanagan) and do it properly. And that's what close to 3/4 of couples/friends I know in SE22 are doing. A few are doing so for the age old reasons. But the other lot like it round here and don't want to go. Friends, work and family are three great reasons to be anywhere. I'm not living in London for the theatre or the odd trip to the Natural History museum. My OP wasn't clear. Is this another property thread saying what's happening or a rather melancholy reflection on growing up? Now that Otta's been honest and called it, probably both.....

Yet another local pal of mine has announced he?s leaving London for the bright lights of Kent/Wiltshire/Surrey. Like the rest, he?d stay if he could afford a house but he can?t. This migration has always happened (for more space, fresh air, better schools etc) but based on those East Dulwich 30 to early 40 somethings I know, it has become an epidemic in 2013. Looking around I see this: - Most in SE22 in the 35-42 bracket with young kids and renting or in their own flat and looking for space are choosing to rent/buy a house in the sticks rather than supposedly less pricey suburbs like Forest Hill or Catford. - An increased exodus of middle classes from city neighborhoods leaving behind either the poor or the rich /older couples. - A huge gap moving from a flat to a house that is near impossible to bridge on a without a large wage increase/inheritance/financial luck. That leaves behind older demographic (45 +) who got on the housing ladder and climbed it, 20 something professional renters, the single, the old school elderly and those on benefits. And those who have always lived locally who?ll continue to call this place home regardless. Then there's the current crop of incomers. Most houses round here are currently going to sealed bids and selling for ?750k+ to 32 year old couples from Clapham who?ve just sold flats. They?re filling the middle gap but not without the usual lasting change on the area (good/bad/discuss/etc) It is all deeply depressing. If all that binds me to London is work going forward, I cant see me hanging around either. Sorry...just lamenting passing times...

Nice follow on post after "airlifted from Williamsburg" on the increasing colonisation. That train has pretty much sealed the deal. Here's an "It girl" e-zine hailing the New Dalston: http://email.sheerluxe.com/q/1bBDknDu60flIbf4VdL/wv Not sure The Rye counts as a hot spot but its a start....

Cool thread. For anyone wondering, I'm no relation to UncleB. He stole my family name, taking it to the level of instant rice. I might reincarnate myself.

Bring back wooden rackets and head sweat bands.

YESSSSSSSSSS!

...and 320 shareholders are all looking forward to it.

Even after all your moans about it Fox? There have been plenty of regular updates for shareholders one the past few weeks and a few decent volunteering opportunities for cleaning helping them get ready. There is a manager appointed, builders are finishing the accommodation upstairs and a Goose is Out night has even managed to steal a night of it's own before any official launch. There's a lot to do and still a number of variables out of their control and in the hands of bureaucracy. I predict September/October ish.

That sounded more...Welsh?

This is turning into a decent amble! I will be there but have to leave to get to Hyde Park later on for the Olding Bones.

I do love the one in Timewasters where he's badly describing an unidentified creature in his pond to the UK Newt Society or something. Seven rather serious letters later he sends them a sketch of an elephant with a goats body and dragon wings on it. No reply.