Earl Aelfheah

I think it's the only pub in the area that I've never been into.

A CPZ is not going to reduce traffic on Lordship Lane.

How many of the 'commuters' parking near ED station are driving from within the proposed CPZ? Will they still be able to do this post introduction, or will permits be 'zoned'?

Admin - have a word. How many threads do we need on the same topic?

You can?t go over most speed bumps at more than 10 miles an hour without knackering your car. If you kept a constant speed of 10 mph you?d probably get lynched.

Rules which restrict parking for limited periods during the day are not about the environment, or the elderly and infirm. They're about some residents wanting the 'right' to make short local journeys by car (many of which could likely be done on foot), and be able come back to a space outside their house. It's about a fundamental belief that this is a more legitimate use of a car than people travelling into the area for work, or to shop. I wish people wouldn't claim noble motives when it's really about their own convenience.

I use a big black sack with 'swag' written on it to do my shopping.

Thanks Sally

We need cameras and actual traffic police (remember them). Instead we just get speed bumps, which are treated as sport by the white vans and 4x4s and cause frustration for everyone else.

Can we put items in our grey area?

I can sell you a bottle of water which will cure magical thinking, but it'll cost you ?5.

Brexit is going jolly well isn't it?

Sidll1 Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > This is an extraordinary first world thread. There > are,you will be surprised to know, many non car > owning people living in the proposed zone. Many of > these are elderly, many do not own their > properties, many are not very well off and some > are not very internet savvy. They rely on visits > from children, grandchildren and friends. A CPZ is > not going to help them one bit and the cost of > visitor permits may be prohibitive. > Get over your ?I deserve to park outside my castle > attitude? think about your less well off > neighbours and see if you can help them fill in > their forms to oppose this scheme. Well put

It all comes down to whether you think residents have a greater entitlement to make short hops in their car during the day and come back to a space, compared to local workers, or visitors, or shoppers, or even commuters. Or whether in fact, we all pay for the roads which are a shared public amenity.

Do people who work from home need to use their cars for short journeys during the day? Even for longer journeys, we have exceptional public transport - people drive in from Kent to avail themselves of it apparently. Residents with limited mobility can get a dedicated space already, if they need one. But even if we accept that those groups you mention have needs equal to those travelling to ED to work, as you suggest, then we probably shouldn't introduce a CPZ which would discriminate between them.

What if I'm in the shop to buy a calico bag?

.. which leads me back to the question I posed above.

The people arguing in favour of a CPZ claim that there are loads of commuters parking in ED during the day, not to work here, but to use our exceptional public transport - evidenced by the fact that you can park more easily in the evenings and at weekends, but... If you're a resident using your car to travel out of ED to work, you likely won't need a local parking space except for in the evenings and at weekends. If you're not using your car to travel into town (i.e it's parked outside your house during the day), you already have a space. So by your own logic, resident parking only really becomes an issue if you're using your car for short, local journeys during the day. I'm not sure we should be prioritising this type of use over, say, the person travelling in form Hayes to work at a local nursery (for example).

I posted this on another thread, but didn't get an answer: If we're going to create a hierarchy in terms of who 'deserves' use of the public highway most - why do residents come at the top of that list? Is it more 'legitimate' for me to use the street to store a car outside my house, than for a teacher to use it for getting to work? CPZs seem to be predicated on there being an 'entitlement' on the part of residents to exclusive, or at least priority use of the bit of road outside their property? I thought the roads were paid for through general taxation and intended as a public amenity? Rather than discussing the particulars, can someone explain the principle first?

I actually think the speeding on Barry Road is better than it used to be. There was a time when people absolutely caned it down that road and whilst I'm sure some still do, it doesn't seem so much the norm anymore.

I left my car unlocked for several days (by accident) and nobody went in there, so it doesn't always happen. Sorry you've had this happen to you though and glad nothing of value was taken.

...apologies for the typos

So if we're going to create a hierarchy in terms of who 'deserves' use of the public highway most - why do residents come at the top of that list? Is it more 'legitimate' for me to use the street to store a car outside my house, than for a teacher to use it for getting to work? CPZs seem to be predicated on there being an 'entitlement' on the part of residents to exclusive, or at least priority use of the bit of road outside their house. I thought the roads were paid for through general taxation as a public amenity? Rather than discussing the particulars, can someone explain the principle first?

Reed Mogg is articulate and well practiced in the art of debating. He is all the dangerous for that.