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I'm with Loz on this. There are a few 'names' who if they left, probably could take their audience with them (those who a show's been built around)m, but for the majority of actors, they're infinitely replaceable by a whole host of potential, talented, out of work actors.

It is a bit of an effort though. I'm with Pugwash, a 2 hour limit would be more sensible and would save everyone unnecessary hassle.

LondonMix Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Also, the people behind the Coal Line are genuine > community minded volunteers. They aren't posting > this message on a lark. If you prioritise housing > or don't like the community rail park that's fine > but I don't think the people working very hard to > bring a terrific project for the entire community > are being disingenuous This. The people behind the coal line campaign are actually getting out into the community and trying to improve things, so layoff the keyboard criticism.

Cava uses the champenoise traditional method and is a far better choice if you're looking for a cheaper alternative to Champagne than Prosecco. English sparkling wines can be excellent and whilst not cheap are better value than Champagne. Ridgeview do some good ones. The Prosecco fad is a triumph of marketing and brand over taste imo.

The question was specifically about gentlemen though. Does a gentlemen wear them?

A pair of linen trousers are preferable for the office imo. Shorts fine if you're working outside.

Sure you didn't Loz, just as you claim that you're 'not saying it isn't racism' (are you saying it is then?). It's the corollary of your argument that Boris is also abused on twitter. You can dance around your arguements as much as you like and accuse people of bias and logical errors, but it's all quite plainly an attempt to obfuscate. The truth is that Dianne Abbot has been on the receiving end of huge amounts of racist and mysogonistic abuse for years now. I'm happy to give my view on what was driving the press hounding, what's your opinion on it?

Loz Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > there is no magic money tree. ...quantitative easing.... anyway: Everyone understands that if you spend more you have to fund it somehow (either through higher taxes and or borrowing). Corbyn was arguing for both, quite openly and he published costings against his spending plans. Now one can debate whether or not they stacked up, but at least he explained how he proposed to pay for his policies so that debate could take place. The Tories wouldn't even discuss it, provided no costings and refused to open their plans up to public scrutiny. In that context the childish 'magic money tree' put down comes across as rather pathetic.

May's unnecessary election cost taxpayers ?270m pounds. The Conservatives' failure has cost us another billion pounds in the form of a bribe to the DUP. The first thing the Tories do with their bought votes is to keep a pay freeze in place for Drs, nurses, firefighters, police officers, soldiers and other public servants. Their own pay is excluded of course (MPs have had an 11% pay rise). All this and they cheer the result and jeer the opposition as if they were school children. Whatever one might think about the merits of relaxing the pay cap after six years, the sheer lack of awareness about the manner in which they've acted, the way they've conducted themselves and the message it sends to people, is really quite breathtaking.

Because someone (Boris in this case) has also been attacked on Twitter and the nature of that abuse wasn't racist or sexist, then no abuse is racist or sexist? And you're criticising erroneous thinking in others?

Loz Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > two people were treated > differently, she's black and female, he's white > and male, ergo it's racist and sexist. No. She's received sustained racist and sexist abuse (both online and in 'real life') and at the same time the press have singled her out disproportionately for negative attention (compared to say, Boris). It is perfectly valid to draw a conclusion about the motivation (whether you agree or not). Your assertion that pointing to the easily demonstrated nature of online abuse against Dianne Abbot is an example of confirmation bias is what misses the point.

Wrong and shameful

Yes. London should secede from the rest of the UK.

Loz Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > rahrahrah Wrote: > -------------------------------------------------- > ----- > > If you want to know what really drives and > sustains the endless press attacks on Dianne > > Abbott, look at the endless abuse she gets on > social media. The true nature of it is not as > > guarded as in the Mail. > > Did you just do that confirmation bias thing > again? > > I just did what you probably didn't do and typed > both #dianneabbott and #borisjohnson into twitter > search. Granted, I only went back a couple of > weeks, but I saw some pretty unpleasant personal > attacks on both of them. Sadly, being Twitter, I > wasn't that surprised. > > Interestingly, there were a number of tweets > supporting Abbott and very few, if any, supporting > Johnson. But given the prevailing mood of > sympathy for Abbott over the past couple of weeks, > perhaps that is to be expected. Sure Loz, but it's about the nature of abuse on social media. Boris wasn't being attacked because of his race or sex. To say that a black woman who has received endless attacks which are explicitly racist and sexist in nature is being attacked because of their race and sex, seems pretty straightforward to me. When at the same time, that individual is disproportionately targeted in the media, it is reasonable to draw conclusions about the drivers / motivation. You may well not believe there is anything racist or sexist about the attacks on Dianne and so you've looked to see if Boris has also been criticised in some / any way on Twitter. I would argue that this may be a case of confirmation bias however.

If you want to know what really drives and sustains the endless press attacks on Dianne Abbott, look at the endless abuse she gets on social media. The true nature of it is not as guarded as in the Mail.

Boris is ignored because he is an affluent, white man. His behaviour is viewed via a frame of reference which is far more forgiving. It's quite unfair and says a lot about our society and culture.

If Corbyn had tried to form a coalition with Sinn Fein (in asome alternate reality where they might agree to sit in parliament), the press would have been calling it treason. The Tories would have been screaming 'terrorist sympathiser' all over the place. The same people who seem OK with the DUP deal would have been frothing at the mouth and swooning in a fit of hysteria. And quite rightly. The question is why are they sitting quietly whilst May does a deal with a group linked to NI paramilitaries (climate change deniers, anti abortionist, homophobes at that). The Tories are morally moribund.

It's Boris. He can make jokes about 'piccaninnies with watermelon smiles', get recorded arranging to have people beaten up, fail repeatedly to turn up to meetings whilst in public office, get sacked over and over for dishonesty and show complete disloyalty to even his closest friends and we'll all forgive him. He can criticise the young for their 'easy entitlement', whilst he himself went around smashing up restaurants and throwing money in the air, dressed in top hat and tails as a youth. He's just having a laugh. Diane is getting above her station, so it's far more serious. She's dangerous and incompetent. Unilike Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson, she's a black woman and wasn't born to rule (in the mind of the Mail and it's ilk).

..after all a careless pedestrian primarily risks hurting themselves, a careless driver risks the lives of others.

Robert Poste's Child Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Bit disingenuous - making it an offence to cross a > road other than at traffic lights is a lot more > than 'a modicum of discipline'. It almost sounds > like you think pedestrians should have to wait for > you rather than the other way round - rather an > odd point of view if you choose to live in a large > city, surely. Totally agree. There is a small point where pedestrians have right of way. Cars should slow down and if someone's approaching the crossing stop. It's not difficult > The point, surely, is that we ALL - drivers, > cyclists and pedestrians (not forgetting that some > of us are in all three of those groups) - need to > remember to read the whole road. True. But I'd add that with cars posing a far higher threat to other road users, they burden of responsibility is not actually equal.

Would anyone care?

I love the completely unnecessary 'black jag' detail. Someone is very proud 😂 Like others have said, you should be ready to stop at a zebra crossing and looking out for pedestrians about to cross.

Dianne Abbott has type 2 diabetes: https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/jun/13/diane-abbott-reveals-illness-and-hits-out-at-vicious-tory-campaign

They're still parroting sound bites. It's pathetic.

This thread is really distasteful