malumbu

I was surprised to find that many places had gone, the Moore Park Hotel and Moore Park Garage had been turned into residential, and similarly the sub post office and hairdressers. Why did these go? Wood Vale supermarket and Libretto butchers still flying the flag. Friends in Forest Hill have discussed the garage going: https://www.se23.com/forum/showthread.php?tid=11858

I like Rye Lane, it's more real than Lordship Lane with far more interesting shops. The massive changes in night life should be generally welcome but I've always had an issue that the daytime and nighttime demographics are so different. Thanks for the interesting reflections on the building.

The sub post office has gone too, which is a bit disappointing. I'll start a thread on it. I stayed on the 363 today up Underhill and Wood Vale as this gave me a good view of potential road changes. It would be straight forward to accommodate a right turn into Underhill, as the bus currently does, and with the lights at the Harvester this would make traffic flows, under normal conditions, tidal, allowing relatively easy right turns. I'm unsure if this is a massive benefit, probably useful to drivers who live in the immediate area, and would take some traffic off the right turn onto Honor Oak Road, which is a bit messy. Not so sure how you would accommodate right turns out of Underhill. Right turns into and out of Wood Vale more problematic due to the proximity of the junction with Sydenham Hill. Pending further views here I will write to TfL with my issues and potential changes.

"The area around the proposed Melbourne Grove South CPZ is mostly uncontrolled, particularly to the east of Lordship Lane, and therefore not comparable to the schemes mentioned above. We always say that there will be a level displacement whenever we implement any new parking restriction, this includes new permit zones or yellow lines. For this area we do not know what this will be until the scheme is implemented, if it is implemented at all, but we believe due to the number of uncontrolled roads in the area, this will be minimal." Sounds reasonable to me.

You may have lost the battle against more clubs in Peckham - although interestingly they keep saying how numbers are down, perhaps that is more aimed at night clubs more centrally. I just thought it looks an interesting building.

It's meant to slow the traffic. Narrows the road, so naturally slows the traffic. That is because before it was a race track up to the cameras. Much nicer now. Expand Snowy, may I also just draw your attention to one of Malumbu's earlier comments in response to another poster ( Malumbu's comment below Jazzer's, above) Just leave me out of this tiresome thread. The only interesting post I've seen is Rockets admitting again to needing some refresher driving lessons. I admire your stamina Snowy, Earl and Ex but debating with some feels a little futile. This is me being polite.

I saw people queuing up one night a couple of years ago and it looked to me like it was an old theatre or music hall Actually it's an old department store, after it's closure as a night club there are plans to develop it into a decent venue Any views or memories. Peckham continues to develop at pace. https://southwarknews.co.uk/area/peckham/peckhams-newest-nightclub-inside-historic-building-edges-closer/

It's a forum to discuss issues rather than hurl insults. I live very close to you so I am very well informed. If you give me your description I'll give you a cheery hello or wave when I cycle past, buying our paper from Wood Vale News, having a shandy at the Moor Park Hotel, catching a train from Honor Oak Station (not HOP), a Sunday stroll around Camberwell Old Cemetery, or when we are at the bus stop waiting for the P13, or 363.

A tedious thread that adds nothing to life. But on a separate matter perhaps some refresher driving lessons seem appropriate. I've driven and cycled on Sydenham Hill in recent times and have had no problems.

Popped into EDT tonight, as it was crowded and they didn't give me free booze and food on our arrival went elsewhere. It had a certain decrepit charm before. I'm sure it will be more profitable but I am less likely to visit. Pub sign is awful.... In my opinion.

@RocketsCan you please not ambush this thread. You, and your supporters, have plenty of other threads to talk about vehicle counters, and other esoteric stuff. I'm talking about three loosely parallel roads that could give access to the South Circular from traffic, from Peckham, parts of East Dulwich and the like One is essentially a glorified farm track - Wood Vale. This is in Lewisham. Traveling from Forest Hill Road involves up a steep hill, right at a nasty junction, or cutting through the Horniman area, full of narrow residential roads. The other two roads, Wood Vale and Underhill Road, are wide, and some would say leafy (a term often used on some threads to describe roads in the Village. They are in Southwark. You can no longer turn right into, and from the South Circular into the Southwark Roads. You would have been able to once. Lights were introduced on the SCR/Honor Oak after changes due to a pinch point. The junctions with Wood Vale and Underhill are no worse in layout than that with HOR. One could argue that they are better as there isn't a filling station/shop on the junction which complicates things. Buses already turn into and out of one of them. Lights could be introduced and phased with the junction with Sydenham Hill. This is not about closing roads, or banning cars, but just a more sensible layout. And @Penguin you have many other threads to complain about cyclists so leave it out on this one please.

Sorry to hear. I was surprised by some of the vehicles on Half Moon Lane itself, cutting you up and then turning left rather than simply waiting a couple of seconds for you to pass the junction. And due to being so wide the odd car hammers along Burbage. There are huge swathes of London where the traffic is fairly predictable and happy to share road space. And then you get the occasional road like the ones above. It tends to be wider roads that are relatively free flowing. Or the ones where there are sometimes a race to get through the lights - Herne Hill Road being a good example. Red Post Hill is so traffic calmed it can be a pain in whatever mode you are in,

My least favourite pub on the planet, and there are some awful places out there. I'll give it a miss.

You are going to have difficulties getting a meal in a greasy spoon for eight quid nowadays. Prices gone up by maybe 30 % since Covid

It's busy in the rush hour, it always has been. it will return to normal when the various roadworks have been completed. Some people do speed round there. It was my commute for many years. P13 is a very underrated bus and wish it was more frequent.

Oh dear. I've been there numerous times, it's hit and miss. Generally OK so I wouldn't judge it on one occasion. Perhaps they aren't great at scaling up for sunny days. The Woodhouse used to be like that when it was a great pub in the old days. Sun would come out and families turn up, with no extra staff. It's horrid now You can order the Backyard pizza at the Castle and I expect they still have Van Dough at the Blythe; under Co you could also bring your chip supper into the garden.

Do you have anything useful to say? Otherwise just stick to your usual hobby horses. Be my guest. I thought a time of reflection may have changed things. It appears not to have done.

The closure many years ago had a detrimental impact sending traffic up Honor Oak Road; in parts a glorified farm track and of course the location of Fairlawn school, which some of you may, or may have, sent your kids to. The wide leafy boulevards of Wood Vale and Underhill Road are much better designed as through roads. @Rockets perhaps could you check your sources to see whether it was a botched consultation by TfL or Southwark that led to this? I sense that this would be a better thing to campaign on, and improvements to Brenchley Gardens, than other recent road changes by Southwark and TfL

@Rockets As you are very interested in the Sydenham Hill cycle lane, what do you reckon to Brenchley Gardens? I think it is awfully designed, the narrowing, which is intended to slow motorised vehicles down, is a hazard to cyclists as there is not enough room for vehicles to pass cyclists with appropriate room if there are vehicles coming the other way, Cyclists should therefore adopt the primary position, although this seems to p some motorists off. Surely you will agree that Southwark has got this wrong, and on this occasion a dedicated cycle lane, or alternatively shared footpath, would be appropriate. This is about the design of the road irrespective of how motorists use it.

Good heavens, it's been relatively quiet on this forum but since you have started posting again it's gone crazy, From a quick tally today across three threads you have posted 18 times Exceeded by FM - around 24 and Earl 28, although much of this was a ding dong between the two. I'm a mere 8, one more than Cycle Monkey and twice that of Snowy. I doubt if the debate has moved on one jot, and what else does it say? Me included there are other things going on in life, not only on the geopolitical front but, spoiler alert, a very close University Challenge tonight.

It's meant to slow the traffic. Narrows the road, so naturally slows the traffic. That is because before it was a race track up to the cameras. Much nicer now.

I think they are fairly reasonable in this situation.

They've been sold a dream, a lifestyle dream. Not one person owning/running a SUV has posted on this thread to say why they love them. I wager whichever side of this debate you are on, you don't have one. Don't be naive to believe that the manufacturers of virtually any product are not trying to get you to upsale/upscale/gold plate etc, that's how they make the greatest profit In the days before Top Gear got silly, they did an excellent programme on the ideal city car, comparing the main models on sale, and finishing with a line of Fiat 500s, as this ticked all the boxes.

That is getting tedious. Why are you just pursuing your political hobbyhorse?

Small EVs should be the future in metropolitan areas. The first EV I drove was a Leaf. It was wonderful. Only surpassed by the first time I went on electrically assisted pedal cycle. Around the same time I test drove a Tessla model X or S, around the dealership in Shepherds Bush. That was just silly, totally unneeded in the urban environment. But as I pointed out elsewhere, how has much of the industry responded? By developing large SUV variants. Shame on them.