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Lloyd Weber and Cilla Black were supposed to leave when Blair got in, but didn't

You can't have zero tolerance unless you live in a fascist/police state. Sadly it is something you have to accept in a democracy. There has always been crime, even in North Korea, the Soviet bloc, Nazi Germany, Cambodia under the Khmer Rouge etc. The discussion point is how big a police force we need and capabilities, punishment, and building communities. And how much we are prepared to pay in extra taxation. Even in the good (economic) times there is crime. And crime under both Labour and Tory governments. I do not accept that phone thefts and parcel thefts are just statistics. Police have to prioritise what they do, we might not agree with it. And most criminals are multi-tasking, moving to where the best return is considering the risk of being caught. And there has to be a market, someone somewhere needs to buy a stolen product (I never buy off Gumtree). A starting point would be to decriminalise all illegal drugs, but that is definitely for a separate Lounge conversation, interesting discussion paper here: https://kar.kent.ac.uk/105520/1/A. Stevens - In defence of the decriminalisation of drug possession in the uk - PPDF.pdf Did you watch any of the series of Peaky Blinders? This was a very popular series that glorified gang crime and violence. Funny (ironic) that may enjoy films and TV that does this. Although only the first series had any historical accuracy in it, Criminal gangs were around before and ever since.

Looking back at the OP I'm not sure what the purpose of starting the thread was. (a) This is dreadful, more should be done to protect the cyclists (b) Cyclists and drivers need to use the road more carefully/responsibly (c) Cyclists are menaces and it is their own fault Always useful to have some views fro/in the OP of what their interest is @ianr looking at your other posts they appear to be fairly considered so it would good to know your take But what has happened is apart from me those of you who have posted don't like cyclists, some of you have made your points on numerous threads. @tedfudge you wear your politics on your sleeve and clearly don't like the Mayor of London. From this I expect that you don't like the measures introduced to increase cycling (and walking) although numerous initiatives were introduced by a Tory mayor and Tory PMs. Whilst I have shared my views on Johnson numerous times (the damage that he did to the country); whilst his motives may be self-serving he did a lot of good for both cleaning up our air and for active travel.

Looks like he is happy to get dodgy funding for his conference too..... https://observer.co.uk/news/politics/article/reform-conference-relied-on-sponsorship-from-crypto-and-tobacco-companies?utm_source=firefox-newtab-en-gb I suppose being an entrepreneur means you look the other way....

Then you will appreciate the joy and benefits. You most be aware that most on this forum post to complain about cyclists rather than promote riding. Nature of social media that tends to focus on downsides, real.or otherwise.

@jazzer start a where are the police thread on the Lounge. In response to this several police officers were hurt at the Tommy Robinson march event yesterday. 150 thousand marched in support of the convicted criminal Robinson, many who have violent criminal convictions themselves and would support violence in pursuit of their aims. And our right wing and far right politicians, celebs and influencers have all encouraged this divide in our community. Yes I have got political

Oh dear, another thread that has mutated to an anti cycling one. Cycling brings joy to millions. Need a bit more joy around here😃

https://www.standard.co.uk/news/london/violent-crime-plunges-london-homicide-rate-b1247078.html Worth doing a little checking before making assumptions about violent crimes. Recent data suggests a drop in violent crime. Gang violence will make a significant contribution to the numbers. You are unlikely to be attacked by a stranger

It was a reactionary post and inappropriate when talking about a real case and a real person who was harmed. London streets are generally pretty safe. Sadly violent crime happens from time to time, as it always has.

You can easily delete posts. I've just deleted my previous one. I hate it when two posters go off on a tangent, and/or have a one to one. ?I'd never do that..... 😉

Not helpful to politicise this. A rather reactionary post.

It's mainly Heathrow, I worked in a related area once.

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It's been known for some time that there have been serious collisions involving Lime bike riders. But in the same light if you were to ban Lime biked you'd ban motorbikes. I don't really get your point beyond you don't like Lime bikes. The effort should go into reducing incidents for example through better information, training and traffic management.

If it is deemed by the authorities that there is an unjustifiable risk to riders from Lime bikes then they should take action. Please do lobby government and your elected representatives on this if you feel strongly. Do you think that hire bikes, including hire ebikes, are a good thing, or that due to the downsides they should be outlawed? A simple question.

I'm glad there are lots of bikes. I wish their were less cars. I've used the road but not aware of any particular issue with cyclists

Probably not worth the effort irrespective of the extenuating circumstances.

No I will not give you a simple answer. Many people are killed and seriously injured each year cycling on the road, but cycling is not banned. Even more due driving on the road, but driving is not banned. Sadly pedestrians, too, but walking is not banned Society looks at the risks and benefits and decides accordingly. Hire bikes provide great benefits. But a number of you just don't like them. Rather than concentrating on how you could improve things, including cutting the number of casualties.

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He played the system. He deprived the government of money that could be spent on the country. Whether wisely or wasted. It (Farage) makes me feel sick. How could anyone who believes in society and contributing according to their means not agree?

How are they being taxed into oblivion? Most parents can afford it. Why does it bother you?

Still makes him a hypocrite playing the system.

Yes lower road is madness, so many cars.

More dirt https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/ce845w70g0yo

I take it that none of you ride Lime bikes or like the concept