malumbu

Drivers need to demonstrate this on the day they pass their test. Then much of that goes out of the window. Do a spot test on drivers on the road today and 95 percent will fail. There is no compulsion for refresher or advanced training of drivers. I've posted this many times but a number of you continue to be apologists for poor drivers/driving.

I'll do an order from Lidl in Sydenham if you ask nicely 😁

There are several of you who take every opportunity to criticise cyclists, Southwark, active travel campaigners, road safety campaigners across numerous threads.

Property has been for a long time a good way to invest. When interest rates are low, even more so, as returns can be better than banks and the financial markets, and money is cheap to borrow. Some people are fortunate to come from money. Some are successful at work. Many of us inherit from parents or other relatives. Governments do take action from time to time. Mortgage tax relief, tax relief on landlords, inheritance tax and gifting (waiting Starmer) and stamp duty. The UK has also been historically a good place for overseas investors, including laundering dirty money. Over our lifetime most of us have seen is the widening gap between property owners and those unlikely to get on the housing ladder. Owning multiple properties has made this more stark. Family stayed in private accommodation in big university cities where we did when we were students. Except the four bedroom houses are now seven. You could argue that increasing multi tenant properties could help the housing shortage, even if this does benefit a few already well off landlords. Of course it could all collapse again. But unless Trump trashes global economies would always pick up. Personal interest? I once put an offer on a one bed flat with the thought of adding an upstairs bedroom, modest and a skylight which was permitted development in those days and not a major project. But ironically the current owners decided to stay and do this. That was a long time ago.

Men? Youths?

Today I have seen in the backstreets around Sydenham several cars cut corners when turning right, one van completely on the wrong side of the road, several speeding, one well exceeding 40mph, one bizarre car stopping and then with no indication reversing towards a cyclist by the curb before doing a three point turn, on pick up truck on their phone, one van driver peeling a banana (well at least it was healthy) and delivery vans parked by a junction on the pavement blocking the line of site for road users approaching the junction or turning into this. All of these could led to serious collision. As it was not commuting time, and not a cycle route, about four leisure cyclists doing nothing particularly exciting and one delivery moped not crashing into loan women drivers, just doing their job. This fixation with cyclists is ridiculous.

Bit old but gallows humour if you substitute Ronald Regan for Trump

Colin From Accounts

Animals?

I think it is right to uphold freedom of speech. Sadly as I expect we all know there has been dreadful hate crime against Mayor Khan including sadly infiltrating at least one of my WhatsApp groups. And yes, of course, that was to do with the LTN. Where this oversteps the mark on the forum, yes I expect Admin will take action. But I have challenged both the OP: and others to come back to me on this thread, and it has gone quiet. Please others look at my last two posts, Why the silence? It goes without saying Shut Man is clearly bonkers.

I think if you just said FOT we'd understand, and most would agree.

I'm discussing collisions involving cars, with other road users and fixed objects. Where is your evidence that drivers are during not quite as bad as the past? Car design and safety features, reduction in drunk driving, clamping down on hand held mobiles, and lower speed limits helped reduce killed and seriously injured stats, which have plateaued. None of these are driver behaviour in terms of what I consider skills - control of the accelerator and brake, steering, positioning, communication (which many are appalling). awareness of other road users including those behind, anticipation. Why do a number of you continue to be apologists for poor driving? Perhaps the million plus a year since 2018 having to do a speed awareness course is improving driving standards and/or the number of people with dash cams or helmet cams reporting careless driving. If so that is a good thing.

I was responding to your view about drivers being innocent in collisions. Happy to discuss cyclists elsewhere on the forum. Most of my 'accidents' as a pedestrian, cyclist, motorcyclist and driver have been my fault. As I have learned from these, including minimising the likelihood of another road user colliding with me, I very rarely have collisions nowadays. Edited to add. A number of you are unhappy, if not angry, about measures that affect motorists. LTNs, CPZs and the ULEZ. It's a shame that I cannot add a rise I fuel duty on that. Yet you adopt a polarised view that it's all the fault of those cyclists, most who ride through red lights, when not in the pavement. Meanwhile drivers can do no wrong. I'm happy with measures against drivers and promoting active travel. But do not have an opposite polarised view on drivers and cyclists

If the road condition is bad, slow down. If visibility is bad, slow down. If there is low sun, slow down. If there is the potential of ice or slippy leaves, slow down. If you don't know the road, slow down. If you are by a school, shops or other places pedestrians could cross without looking, slow down, and be ready to stop It would help if you stopped making excuses for drivers. In a 20 mph zone then there is no excuse for the vast majority of collisions

Ouch. Would you not agree that cars colliding with other cars, other road users, and fixed objects is due to driver error the majority of times?

GHA, God Help America

A lot of people have extended their properties as am investment rather because they need the space. Obviously what is an appropriate space for a family is objective but I view some building projects as self indulgent and out of scale with the surroundings. Some of the comments on this thread appear reactionary.

I think you will find it's about 70/30 on this forum that considers poor driving is a greater priority.

They are not accidents. They are preventable. Mainly due to driver error. By using the term accident you are accepting that it is OK.

For proper balance please also post on the separate thread I started yonks ago about drivers behaving badly.

*&!;# 😲

Surely we all want less collisions and less people being hurt on our roads. Road safety improvements have been down to many reasons including reduced speed limits and better protection for car occupants. Yet numbers have now plateaued. Sadly slower speeds have been offset by heavier vehicles. And as regards to private drivers there is no compulsory advanced training or refresher training. Speed awareness courses, despite all the common view that "I don't need it as I am a good driver" do a good job of reminding the harm you can do to others when your 1.5 plus tonnes of steel hits soft tissue and bone. I don't understand why anyone would just make disparaging comments on the road safety and sustainable transport groups. This is not America.

Thanks, I'll check it out. Also do contact Southwark Cyclists. Not fond of Dulwich Estates for a number of reasons. They could do more to discourage driving noting that many DC kids do cycle to school.

Have you spoken to your local councillor, complained to Southwark, raised with any local tenants group it contacted Ellie. Always worth doing this before going to social media Or spoken with the street cleaner?

Are you selling tickets? 😁