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A conversation five years ago covering similar issues which was much more civilised. Perhaps something to reflect on. Many of us posting on the current thread contributed to the earlier one. Worth a read in any case.

26 accidents caused by cyclists? It's not caused by, but involving, cyclists. No doubt pedestrians crossing the road without looking is the main cause. How much speeding illegal ebikes, with poorly trained riders contribute, is open to speculation. In the good old days of Lounge discussions on this issue, much less patrtisan, I had some good data that as a pedestrian you are far more likely to be harmed by a car mounting the pavement than a bike on the pavement. I'll see if I can dig out something more recent.

Got bored of reading it after a few lines. Review felt rather pretentious so no idea what the food is like

Original title was 'Dulwich Park'. Always worth saying what the thread's intention is rather than leaving it vague or general in the title. Apart from the general irrational moan thread on the Lounge which was great fun.

Wow, you are effectively saying that cyclists deserve being attacked by drivers because, they are, cyclists. Slippery slope to populism. I've not even heard Farage say this. Well not yet

????? It's a fair question. Why do the authorities including government not do more? This is a discussion forum after all ☺️

Two headlines today - Daily Mail - Farage "it's all the West's fault for provoking Putin" Guardian "300 million patient records published by Russian scammers" So Farage it is like you provoking the school bully, who steals your phone, sends abusive WhatApp messages to all your contacts, and then demands your pocket money for a year or else they will continue. Not sure what game Farage is playing, and how much this will influence the Daily Mail readers, which will then be shared wider though FB, etc.

I've commented before. I don't know if there are more cyclists on pavements, certainly we haven't taken over them and the title of the thread very much suggest and anti-cyclists agenda. It may be a simple case of more cyclists,including less parents prepared to allow their kids to cycle on the road, totally bizarre in the village where you see a parent on Court Lane on the road, instructing there child on the pavement. For heavens sake we have made this area so cycle friendly. And the rise of food deliveries, never use them as I do not like the companies and the whole ethos of zero hours contracts encouraging poorly trained cyclists on illegal bikes cutting corners to minimise delivery times. Make them permanent staff, provide legal bikes, lights and training. I expect the youths you see flouting the regulations always behave do that over the decades and probably centuries. It's called rebelling. No doubt you and I did this in one way or another. So useful to hear of hard evidence vs perception and bias. I've posted in the past on how to address this - training, good citizenship and enforcement. But a question back - police don't seem bothered, local authorities and national government ditto. So either in the great scheme of things this is totally exaggerated or otherwise there is no political will. On the latter why?

Still not helpful to call people stupid. Racist, yes, xenophobic, yes. It's like saying if you are scammed you are stupid. People of all IQs get scammed, and people of all IQs voted to leave. You can have highly intelligent and informed conversations with some Brexiters. The attitude of many of us who voted remain that we know better than you didn't help. Historians and social scientists will publish papers on the reasons we left. The weak campaign by remain, the arrogance of Cameron, position of the Labour Leader, right wing press, Twitter and Facebook disaffected communities left behind, Farage, Gove/Johnson. I reckon the latter swung it but even a stronger message when you take your holidays abroad, think of all the hassle may have prevented it. Most of us assume that our vote in the GE won't make a difference and will protest vote as I will do. Because Labour victory is so nailed on. Some won't bother to vote. But the week running up Remain should have been persuading those who were generally in favour in those two cohorts that there support was essential and their vote did matter, to turn up and not protest vote, as the result was not assured. As of course it wasn't. I'm not happier having typed this and have a few people I've not spoken to since 2016 and some difficult family relations. And yes with one relation their vote to leave is because they are racist, not full on BNP but with a dislike of people of colour and Eastern Europeans, that thet themselves are a second generation immigrant makes it worse. But I should have done more

They will all have their good points and bad. There are plenty of threads on this forum. 'Good' is subjective, and infers that some are bad which denigrates hard working people in the NHS. The ones we were banging tin pots in support of four years ago. Gardens generally seen as favourable on threads on this web site.

Nice one, maybe get admin to move it to the ED section of the site or repost it there. Better still start a thread with old pictures of pubs in the area.

Rather a patronising and snobby post Flix and Slips. I doubt if, despite how dreadful you find it, the Plex would be quaking in it's boots. Many find it a great community asset, maybe you haven't been when they are showing independent/fringe films. Well at least you are unashamed about free advertising.

I always read road signs having made mistakes in the past. If signage is clear then we have no excuse.

My first regular near misses with pedestrians not looking was when I worked close to Fleet Street. Shoppers would just cross without looking. Before smart phones and not with ear buds in. In those days similar on Oxford Street. Lucky you, not to have experienced this. Near misses with motor vehicles due to them driving too closely or not seeing me? In three figures with half a dozen involving being hit and once left for dead on Red Post Hill being taken out by a speeding motorist. And yes I've had my hassles with those on two wheels, nowadays mainly food delivery ruderd often on illegal e bikes. This feels like an anti cyclist thread than discussion and debate

Cycling cult? What nonsense. Please do find a post of mine where I have defended cyclists on the pavement having confrontations with pedestrians. Again playing into some silly culture war.

Wow that is so unhelpful and is part of the reason Brexit happened in the firsts place, a reaction to the intellectual elite. It doesn't mean that Brexit wasn't a silly decision, nor is it any excuse for Farage's popular support. But no way we (the pragmatists/those with a more evidence based view on politics) can win an argument if we speak like that. What do you reckon Cat? Ps I feel Farage has done more damage than just Brexit, fuelling populism, racism, Trump, the rise of the right and even Putin.

Read my earlier post. All near misses and one collision, when I actually fell off my bike onto a pedestrian, where were pedestrians crossed the road in front of me without looking. I now pay even more attention in the smart phone age to the potential of this happening so even more aware. As are most of the cyclists I know. The issue with this thread is that some posters simply don't like cyclists for whatever reason. I also said, for balance, that as a pedestrian I have run out in front of cyclists, a couple of times, without looking. This pitching pedestrians Vs cycling is unhelpful and plays into the Daily Mail perspective on society

Plex for me too

What are you basing that on? I write to her about transport issues and get standard lines back, I suspect she doesn't read much of her correspondence unlike her forerunner who read everything and disappointed that her office isn't more on the ball. She says the right thing on X but not sure she follows this through. Obviously primed for higher office. Doesn't make her a bad politician just not sure about supporting her constituents on wider matters. Conversely on individuals with serious personal issues heard better things.

Psychological and emotional? With this in mind why would any parent move to a different area due, for example, a change of job or being relocated

Due to Russian cyber attack, nasty leader

There are 100s of thousands of cyclists. Collisions with pedestrians are very rare. Sorry to hear of the incident but there is a disproportionate response on this thread. Please lobby your MP and the main political parties if you feel our politicians need to be doing more and complain to the police if you feel that they should be doing more. Myself and all the cyclists I know would be horrified to have a collision with a pedestrian, even if every near miss and the one collision I have had, is due to the pedestrian not looking Ditto for the couple of times as a pedestrian I have had a near miss with a cyclist when I didn't look before dashing across a rod That is not being an apologist. Some people in life don't care about endangering others.most do

Oh how mean! Lost my glasses 😞

Train is easier, bus or walk down to Sydenham, Norwood Junction, East Croydon, Gatwick airport. If it is an early flight then taxi or Uber to East Croydon. I always travel light even with young family.

Cut and dried Labour victory. So it's safe to have a protest vote as l will do for only the third time in numerous elections