>>But surely the way to do the best for your kids is to have them mix with children of all different backgrounds in a school where the majority of parents take an interest and where those values can be spread to kids who are not fortunate enough to have such enlightened and caring parents I find it insulting to be called a Thatcherite. You have a hopelessly naive, deluded view. The only way to achieve what you're saying is to have enforced, full comprehensivisation, and abolish all selective & private schools. Which I agree with, incidentally! Now am I a Thatcherite? The point is, we have to work within the flawed system we have. If you give people choice you can't expect them to sacrifice their children's education for an idealistic political principle. We're all going to do the best we can for our kids. It's not fair but I didn't design the education system.