Just for the record, I haven't deleted the original post because by the time I realised it was in the public domain rather than someone's inbox (about an hour after posting it) someone had already quoted it so deleting seemed pointless. I also didn't want to be accused of trying to "cover up" after the event. I haven't defended it, I have just said I'd be a hypocrite if I tried to take it all back. But my apology for causing any upset was meant for you, not sure how I've apologised to anyone else. As I've said, I don't know you, I have nothing against you as a person, you could be the most wonderful person alive or you could be the opposite, I have no idea. Any comment I have made has been solely based on stuff you've written on here. I'm sorry to hear that you've had stuff going on in RL, and I'm the first to admit that I've been pretty venomous on here in the past when things have been shit in the other world. I still find the whole cliquey ganging up thing laughable, but I.understand others see it differently. For what it's worth though (and this is directed to Quids) when UDT was around I couldn't post on any thread in any section of the forum without him following me there and trying to start, so I have a 100% clear conscience about anything I ever said to him. He was a prick.