StraferJack

Great to see the place so packed on a Monday night and everyone on stage delivered Almost as funny was leaving the pub so see a bloke leave the chipper next door and then start pegging for the train, realising it was Izzard. Not for him, the trappings of Hollywood fame Maybe now he has become an Associate Director at Crystal Palace FC, we'll see more of him

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Yeah it does read more conspiracy nut than I intended And el pibe is of course correct to say its amazing they don't go more wrong more often Still, my spidey senses won't quite stop twitching

"We saw the results of that with feral children rioting and looting last summer." ha - from most interviews I read and saw those kids came from very religious families - "I didn't bring him up this way" "he comes to church with me" etc etc think you'll have to find other reasons for that one foxy

Couldn't agree more JennyH

"However, if you're going to start interfering in the rituals or practices of particular religions/value systems on the basis of human rights where will it stop?" Surely the opposite is the real question - namely if you ALLOW any practice on the grounds it is part of a religious belief/custon, where does it stop? See female circumcision for the debate on that one

Ridgley Re your first point - absolutely we bring our children up with values. But most common values tend not to be so... apocolyptic in their origins. My daughter is very little but is being taught what is and isn't permissible, but she isn't being taught that she might go to hell for example. Once that kind of ideology is instilled, it's pretty hard to shift. And let's not even examine Revelations too closely Of course some Christian strands believe in hell and some don't... which kind of shows how arbitrary the whole thing is

I want to know what constitutes "religious values". Values specific to Christianity (such as?) or values religions wrongly but knowlingly like to claim as their own (such as "don't be an eejit with other people")

RBS/natwest O2 Bbc online yesterday Random co inky dinky or a sign of something bigger? Is there some serious hacking going on with a cover up of "upgrade glitches" or is it all just happenstance ?

regulate rents and you can decimate the benefits bill - read about the family claiming 4 trillion pounds a year? That'll be because 3.9999999 trillion is going on rent to some landlord (and yes I have been a landlord myself - I'm not saying ALL landlords do this) as for this notion of people choosing not to work - you'll always have a small minority but I think most of the people unexpectedly unemployed in the last few years haven't chosen to do so

Short answer ? nope. Haven?t happened for aaages. Longer answer: Various bits and pieces do happen ? different book clubs, the curry club etc. As for the original drinks, the rolling boulder that was the original core drinkers continued to grow until such time as we had visited the same pubs so many times, several people drifted away and there weren?t enough new people willing to organise and attend But ne?er mind, it?s the Barry Barry race next weekend and I suspect plenty of people will be there. And drinking

I think the story is massively out of proportion too but I hate hate hate it when people say that X can't be talked about because A B & C are much more important. May as well close down the whole forum And the internet

exactly Pibe - but equate that income and your outgoings on accomodation then with equivalent today and is that still doable?

DC - I'm not sure you can lump MM, quids, Loz and Jeremy into the same category. Economically Jeremy and Quids might be conservative but by and large I think they have far more in common in political terms with you than, say, say MM. I can't agree with MM's analogy about children leaving home at all however. What is happening socially and economically is that instead of fleeing the nest and aspiring to and working towards a bigger, better standard of living, the children are leaving home and most of them stand not a chance of progressing on the housing ladder. Even renting in a house share becomes untenable after a while these days and many of those offspring return home I accepts MM's experience and life are true and meaningful to someone of his age - but it's unlikely many people could follow the same trajectory again at current house prices vs earnings differentials I'm not sure profit can be expressed simply as a percentage either - 4.6% of what? Nor did DC say Tesco were gouging the consumer. I suspect he was implying that the suppliers are being gouged and it would be helpful to the consumer to see the transparent cost of what they are buying

Otta & *bob* shadows of their former selves I know who to blame...

most people I know who have gone down the route of digitising vinyl and/or old VHS cassettes have bought the necessary equipment, converted a few files, spent ages going "wow this works really well!" and then... somehow... putting off the remainder of the collection to an unspecified time which never arrives I take otta's point about the source vinyl being unlikely to appear on spotify et al - but check youtube or torrents first. FAR easier

Quids a1 > quids a2

1st answer > 2nd answer

as opposed to what and when? When is the era you are harking back to?

"Britain doesn't really do much in sport anymore." Weird - first Brit in a Wimbledon final since 1938 England football team ranked #4 in the world (however bizaarly) Olympics in London Current Champions League Holders - Chelsea and the list could go on

Hard as NAILS, old school platformer Spelunky http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2012-07-02-spelunky-review out on xbox live (a much older PV version exists from a few years back) from last week Indy Jones/Rick dangerous look and feel with some great features (as per review link above). The difficult means not for everyone "scuse me? I jus died on world 3-2 and I'm back AT THE START OF THE WHOLE GAME???"

Some people on here aren't interested and as I say, fair enough. Plenty other things in this fair city to occupy everyone and anyone Others in here are implying they shouldn't even be happening (or at least would be happier if they weren't happening ). Because of "the disruption".

Anyone who disliked Murray before but "likes him now coz he cried" can do one

I'm with marmora and quids on this one. How many thousands of people, especially kids will carry the memory for their whole lives. It may not be your bag and that's fair enough but it's curmudgeonly to deny others There are good reasons to to dislike the circus around it (heavy handed handling of "brands") for example but the number of hours one normally works ain't one of them (you hate the long hours you work? Blame the job. You love the hours and the job? Congratulations you are in a lucky minority. Suck it up for a few weeks) Money could be spent in better causes? But of course. Always was the case and always will be the case. Fair play to anyone dedicated to less fortunate, and keep fighting for more money. But to single out the Olympics as a reason for not having enough? Doesn't compute.

Interesting parallels in the story here http://bit.ly/OdncSG