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Nice try, guys. But the term 'blighted lives' means something else in the media. See here http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2012/feb/05/domestic-violence-refuge-government-cuts http://oxforddictionaries.com/definition/blight?q=blighted#blight__4 2. spoil, harm, or destroy

Nearly did, TED. Surely the Iceland store requires staff, cleaners and maintenance work. I really cant see how M&S will damage anything. Perhaps you don't understand Clone Towns. Lots of people do and so do government.

@Gedwina Or is it a case that you don't give a care to people's blighted lives as long as you can get your M&S goodies locally?

Seven full time jobs are expected to be created when M&S opens. Hardly job creation considering Iceland is closing as a result. M&S damages the long term prospects of Lordship Lane.

Sorry, perhaps selling straw for a bed might be better for the poor. Plus an upside down buckets makes a good chair!

Scaremongering tactics, 'me thinks'.

M&S is proposing four deliveries between 6am to 7am every day of the year with increased deliveries over the busy holiday periods. Iceland have their deliveries after 8am so not to disturb their neighbour's sleep. As for your question Ted, a furniture shop, as an example, could have their deliveries after 9am or later.

I don't accept the scaremongering that there is a choice between an empty shop and M&S. Iceland is a very profitable company where sales were up by 15% compared to 2.5% by M&S food. Furthermore, Iceland was bought by their management. Given its profitability and cash reserves of ?150m they're well placed for expansion and acquisitions. I rather see an independent retailer take over the site where it's more likely that the neighbours won't be disturbed by articulated lorries at a very anti-social time and add further diversity of offerings to the shopper. The fight to save Lordship Lane starts against M&S. @Jenny1 - great post.(tu)

Zebedee Tring Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Why does every *briefcasing* thread descend into a > class battle involving so-called posh people, > middle classes, lower orders and chavs (and I > emphasise "so-called")? This is a planning issue > that should be decided on issues such as traffic > generation, loss of parking and generation of > housing, and not on whether, for example, the > likes of M&S and Waitrose are now being invaded by > customers who clearly some posters feel are > bringing down the tone of the neighbourhood. > > N.B. *briefcasing* -an illusion to use of naughty > word by dodgy geezer Matt Crawford on a certain > radio programme. I'm afraid planning has evolved and the National Planning Framework, released by DCLG in March, gives guidance on ensuring a more diverse retail environment.

There you go Maxxi, as you're a West Ham supporter: "If God had wanted us to play football in the clouds, he'd have put grass up there"

I very much doubt M&S will bring extra trade to the area and I fear it may even lead to its decline as a place renown for its independent stores. Basically M&S is piggybacking on the hard work done by these retailers. M&S represents naffness and isn't a draw for customers who have discerning taste. They, like myself, will travel down to Brixton Village where you can get the full works of independent retailers and more importantly, surrounded by cool minded people. I used to be a regular shopper in Waitrose until a few years ago. Once Delia Smith was signed up for their advertising campaign, I stopped shopping there as to separate myself from the influx of affluent chavs. To be honest, the M&S new store represents the same writing on the wall for Lordship Lane. Lordship Lane could perhaps do with a gift shop chain as to up the competition. I do find stock in the local gift shops rather uninspiring to say the least.

El Pibe Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > you could have > commented on the goalie having spent the whole > season in the championship for instance!! Not quite, Green is a top class keeper as long as he keeps his nerves. Fortunately Joe Hart is world class and will give England the confidence to progress in the tournament.

"You are only as good as your weakest link" said my football coach during my playing days. And so most of these Liverpool players are weak links as far as I'm concern. However I do get this feeling that Carroll would perform well during the tournament. He was unplayable judging by his last two FA match appearances and is peaking at the right time. He would be a key player for England as long as he stays away from booze and women.

Engineer 5 Appeared to have identified fault at the E side of the cabinet. Sounds really promising as I'm now hitting speeds of 22 megs with a stable noise margin of 3db. Thumbs up to BT (tu). @Scruffy Mummy, I used to be with NTL after they merged with Cable & Wireless. I'm being far too kind if I said they were hopeless.

@LM, I don't think you've grasped the concepts of the National Planning Framework yet. Hence why you're struggling to come to terms with my arguments. Nor did I say Iceland food was more healthy than M&S's. I was simply saying that M&S sells convenience food which are not really healthy. Growth of convenience and fast food are directly related to rates of obesity. Planning is social engineering otherwise commerce would have built all over green belt lands a long time ago.

That smell is Chlorine and is toxic. Make sure you close your window.

Sorry to disagree LondonMix. 1) M&S are in direct competition with nearby retailers. The only difference is that the independents do less packaging and better quality stuff. :)) 2) I have no objection to housing especially as London is expected to grow. 3) It is well known that in London there are pockets of deprivation near to affluent neighbourhoods. No need to prove this point. 4) Lordship Lane is poorly served when compared Peckham's public transport infrastructure. One of M&S planning application arguments is their sustainability public transport matters hence why I decided to question it. An M&S in Peckham would also help its own diversity of shops. 5) The poor are entitled to use their local High Street. To ask them to go to Peckham is plainly wrong and could actually increase their poverty through extra travelling expenses. 6) There are also concerns that supermarket convenience food causes obesity. This adds unnecessary burden to the taxpayers. [source] 7) M&S said that it is their policy to develop site sites consisting of 1400 sq metres. So it's a bit odd that the Dulwich site is much smaller and not ideal to M&S food .

I suggest the following points to kill off the M&S planning application: 1) M&S proposal to have four deliveries between the antisocial time of 6 to 7am is likely to cause noise distress to local residents on Chesterfield Grove. 2) M&S proposal to nearly double retail floor space, from 450 to 830 sq metres, is likely to cause nuisance to local residents due to increase car traffic, car parking space issues and impede local public transports, particularly buses, on Lordship Lane as cars turns into Chesterfield Grove. M&S customers are more affluent and likely to drive to the store. 3) The National Planning Framework calls for "promote competitive town centres that provide customer choice and a diverse retail offer and which reflect the individuality of town centres". Removal of Iceland for M&S removes choice for our poorest community. *Southwark is the tenth most deprived borough in London and 20th nationally. It may also have a disproportionate effect on poor children since Southwark has one of the highest child poverty in London. Particular issues that Southwark faces include disadvantage in income, housing, crime and health. 4) M&S presence in Lordship Lane duplicates luxury food being sold by East Dulwich Deli at 15 Lordship Lane as well as a number of other distinguish retailers. The Deli also has a concession at Harrods and this confirms its status as a luxury retailer. 5) The Dulwich site represents a poor choice given M&S commitment to sustainability using public transport, a desire to increase presence in the South East London area and their requirement for retail floor space to the size of 1500 sq metres. Peckham have larger sites with better integrated public transport including the arrival of the East London Line in December 2012. *Statistics taken from http://www.endchildpoverty.org.uk/london/child-poverty-in-london-the-facts/southwark-41/ Let me know what you think LondonMix as this is just a rough draft version. And yes I know there's a M&S in Brixton. I was in it last week but was very quiet compared to Iceland across the road. I suspect there isn't much demand for all things M&S. ;-) ETA: I do agree Iceland is not in the 'independent category', stephent, but I do feel that our High Street should serve the whole of the community and not just for the select few.

the-e-dealer Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > I think its a bigger Question.. Let Lordship Lane > Develop and Grow as a shopping centre or chop it > off at its knees. I think you're right in saying there is a bigger question. I like shopping in Lordship Lane because they offer a unique shopping experience and is one mile from where I live. Once the chain retailers moves in and replaces the independents then you will have a phenomenon called 'Clone Towns' where the shopping experience is indistinguishable from other areas. I have shopped in Cambridge, Nottingham, Manchester, Leeds, Liverpool and Birmingham and you see the same old chain stores selling the same old stuff. No room for individuality whatsoever. Fortunately, this issue is recognised in government, including PM David Cameron, and reflected in the National Planning Framework. I like all things cool so I'll be avoiding M&S on Lordship Lane and spending more time in Brixton and Spitalfield as their retail environment tends to cater more to my exquisite tastes. Also, I'd expect to see price rises in William Rose butchers when M&S arrives. Retailers normally pitch their prices according to nearby competitors. M&S price their food a lot more than Iceland's.

Annette Curtain Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Well I thank you for posting the image > > Where exactly is the place located (is that the > bellenden rd area out side?) > > Location is important as is "the look" you're > trying to communicate > > Whats your vibe, who are your customers, what's > your USP > > (lordy, did I say vibe. You catch my drift tho) > > And, do you anticipate putting a small 'stage' are > infront of the window sill (it helps when you're > propping the display) > > > Nette(?) The location is near the Rye Lane Tesco Express approaching Peckham Rye park.

I was petty much alarmed by the number of Liverpool players featured in yesterday's game. Especially as Liverpool had a mediocre season.

Alan Medic Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > I personally think the solution is to paint > Iceland in a colour the locals are happy with and > leave the interior as it is. Perhaps they could > drop the bargain signs from their windows though > or at least put the prices on the signs much > higher to keep the riff raff out. Not sure Iceland would agree. Orange is their corporate colour. Anyway, in the planning application there is a letter where M&S has entered into a contract, with a planning consent proviso, to open a store on the Iceland site. Anyway, I won't be shopping there as the shop is beneath me. I've got standards you see.;-)

bonaome Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Hi First Mate. > > The document that I think has the most detail > regarding deliveries etc is this one. It proposes > deliveries from 6:30am. > > The proposals suggest no change to the entrance to > the site. They show how the proposed size of > articulated lorry can enter and exit the site in a > forwards gear. The arrivals and departures will be > supervised by a person on the street. Currently > deliveries are unrestricted. I do not know the > current pattern of deliveries or whether they are > supposed to go in and come out in a forwards gear > (i.e. not reversing on Chesterfield Grove) and if > so whether they abide by that, or whether or not > they are (supposed to be) supervised from someone > on the street. Do you know? From this document, page 5 paragraph 4.3 M&S is proposing to have four deliveries between 6 and 7am. I feel for the residents on Chesterfield Grove.

This could be the answer:

I suspect Dave Whelan knows Martinez will not go to Liverpool. The job is a poisoned Chalice unless the owners starts to think long term success.