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1842 - both locations.

Mike, Did I say "said to be"? Here's an photo of the College Road toll gate cottage from an unusual position. The road junction angle does not match. I had a summer job in 1968 and I ditched Grange Lane from top to bottom. John

Dog Kennel Hill toll gate cottage.

Just to clarify: "East Dulwich" had two toll gate cottages. One on Dog Kennel Hill which was demolished to make way for the trams. One at the junction of Court Lane and Lordship Lane. That's the one I uploaded a photo of. It seems to have had an unusual footprint. The map(s) show it as cruciform. The photo looks octagonal, but closer examination suggest cruciform. If Dog Kennel Hill had a toll gate it was out of operation by 1858. See incorrect map from the Illustrated London News from 6 June 1857. The Court Lane toll gate and cottage were on Dulwich College Land. The map which does not show Court Lane, has the tollgate as still operational. Eynella Road and Townley Road did not exist in the 1850s.

This is said to be a photo of the Court Lane toll gate cottage.

Is that more members than Save Southwark Woods?

This one has been is my probable mis-attribution file for some time. The LMA has it as an 1860 picture by Mandy of the junction of Lordship Lane and Dulwich Common. How can this be so? http://collage.cityoflondon.gov.uk/view-item?key=SXsiUCI6eyJ2YWx1ZSI6ImxvcmRzaGlwIGxhbmUiLCJvcGVyYXRvciI6MSwiZnV6enlQcmVmaXhMZW5ndGgiOjMsImZ1enp5TWluU2ltaWxhcml0eSI6MC43NSwibWF4U3VnZ2VzdGlvbnMiOjMsImFsd2F5c1N1Z2dlc3QiOm51bGx9fQ&pg=7&WINID=1484473631354#F3spwUYhVYAAAAFZoQL9ZA/18074

rendelharris Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Presumably, like many other railings, they were > removed during WWII to be melted down for > munitions etc, then replaced with the surplus to > requirements stretchers post-war. The conclusion is a big "presume". Is there any evidence?

> the building in the first half of the film Camberwell Town Hall

Are the agendas and minutes of 2016 meetings available?

Are the agendas and minutes of 2016 meetings available?

Are the agendas and minutes of 2016 meetings available?

Near here? http://www.ideal-homes.org.uk/__data/assets/image/0005/356612/landell-road-01655-750.jpg

"Beauval, Dovercourt and parts of Woodward road [...] seem like quiet 'cut throughs' if you're walking from the village/park to lordship lane" The other ends to Lordship Lane of these "cut throughs" have to be Dulwich Park Court Lane Gate and Calton Avenue (West end). Interesting route-maps could be drawn.

This is the best frame grab I can get from "In Which We Serve". I'm not convinced the ambulance train photo is WWII. skylorikeet Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > These stretchers can be found serving as railings > in several places in London. I have attached a pic > of them in use during WW2 and also a screenshot > from the film 'In Which we Serve' in which I hope > you can see they are lifting a casualty on one > stretcher while an empty one is being moved in the > background.

Is the car parked overhanging the public footway?

Good find. See attachment. johnie Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Noticed these type of stretchers being used in the > WWII film of Peckham on the BFI > > http://player.bfi.org.uk/film/watch-bombed-out-194 > 5/ > > See about 49 seconds in

> I loved the place names Which are largely wrong. > Edhistory - are you suggesting it's incorrect Not just "incorrect", but badly wrong for South London. I do not know about North London. You can follow this through from the "ancient rivers" assertion. You might also like to check out the construction date of "Earl's Sluice" which is shown on the map. > do you have another map you have come across which shows the local area from a similar time? Yes, but only partial areas covered by archaeological reports. Don't forget that the area North of Camberwell and Peckham was tidal marsh, and not worth mapping. The best free online-source I know is the London Archaeologist archive. The newly originated data about Battersea Eyot (Island) appears here. Most new material appears in academic journals where you have to buy hard copies or use JSTOR access. Does Southwark Libraries have a JSTOR subscription?

> for some that live around here supporting the local economy is much more important Has this any factual basis?

And now for something totally different... Mortuary stretchers http://www.dulwichsociety.com/journal-archive/97-2013-autumn/915-dulwich-world-war-ii-commemorative-plaques The ?Stretcher Railings? In July 1940 Camberwell Borough Council announced that it was collecting all metal railings from churches and houses and other buildings to be turned into weapons. In the following March, during the Blitz, the South London Observer noted that 34 garages at the uncompleted Ruskin Park House luxury flats on Champion Hill, were being used as a mortuary for fatal air raid victims. It is very likely that the metal fencing placed on Dog Kennel Hill and in Quorn Road after the war, to replace the original removed metal railings, was in fact the recycled metal mortuary stretchers. The photograph also shows the metal stretchers being used for training by civil defence teams before the Blitz started. The stretcher fencing, which is still in place in some roads, is to be removed this year when further refurbishing of the estate takes place but one of the stretchers is to be retained and the plaque commemorating the victims of the Quorn Roa

> I started by drawing the river system, which is well known and little changed from ancient times Well, he didn't do very well when it came to South East London "river" systems. He seems totally ignorant of the topography South of the Thames. Perhaps Matt Brown lives in North London.

rendelharris Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Just for you I took a tape measure along when I > went to Sainsbury's, the stretcher railings on > Pytchley Road measure: > > Bed (i.e. the wire platform) 180cm x 58cm > Handles 18cm each end > Overall length 216 cm > Depth (i.e. the height it would be off the ground > when laid down) 10 cm Thank you for that, it's the first hard data on this thread, rather that speculation. Clearly the wire meshes are human scale. Over the break I was referred to this: http://www.dulwichsociety.com/news/1431-brian-green-on-tv I have not seen it myself. I'm told that Brian Green refers to shorter railing lengths that were ARP stretchers for children. This could be a wind-up.

I'm grateful to DulwichFox for adding to my collection of bad maps. The prize for 2016 must go to the map in the Peckham Society News that shows the Great North Wood growing out of the Peckham tidal marsh.

Has your daughter finished laughing?

> I see the Cheese block have won a Time Out award for 'this is the place to be seen' waiting in line for cheese This may be another Seabag post-truth.