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There is no Calton Road The term "IC4" is not helpful for parents. Turney Road is not in SE22. Is this really a police notice? John K

mikeb Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > > Camberwell Grove is a straight through-road, more > so than Grove Lane or Champion Park. In maps of > the 19th and early 20th centuries, Champion Grove > looks like a much more major thoroughfare than > Grove Lane. Even Champion Hill looks bigger. Mike, The Bennost Map of 1758, despite its inaccuracies, clarifies the natural route through East Dulwich. John K

Has something of note happened?

James Barber Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Hi first mate, > Planners have recently allowed the former HSBC > bank site to be split. I don't think you can blame the tools of Tooley Street for this one. This information was in the public domain on 5 January 2016. http://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/forum/file.php?5,file=204247 I posted the plan on 14 January 2016 and explained the conseque4nces in a subsequent post on the same day. The splitting of a plot is a Land Registry matter and not within the gift of Southwark Council.

> I'll drop an email to the filmmaker (who I interviewed for the programme). Oh!

Witnesses do not celebrate Christmas. They do a Memorial Service at Easter.

Must be true if Southwark Council says so: "It was on Peckham Rye that an eight year old William Blake had his vision of a cloud of angels in an oak tree." https://southwarkheritage.wordpress.com/2016/10/31/historic-peckham/

A Southwark Council officer will have done, or commissioned, a disability access statement before letting the contract. Ask to see it?

Not a very good photo...

> Chris McCabe (who's just published a book about Nunhead Cemetery (Cenotaph South: Mapping the Lost Poets of Nunhead Cemetery) thinks it was a hawthorn. He tracked all the mentions of angels and trees in Blake's poems and letters and found only one instance where an angel's mentioned in a tree and it's a hawthorn ... I can recommend this book, which, as they say, is available in all good bookshops. If there was a vision from Dulwich Hill a hawthorn is a plausible candidate.

One thing I've not been able to resolve is whether in Blake's time it would have been possible for oak trees to grow on any of the five distinct "Peckham Ryes". Can anyone help on this? And, does anyone have a copy of the Blake Society text that was used in Peckham Rye Park?

> It's a poetic resonance, a story told about a story told about a story told. Are you saying it's untrue? John Rocque is not a reliable cartographer. He made things up and put them on his maps. Field boundaries are particularly dodgy. I regret including one of his maps, at least without a caveat, in one of the books I published.

It's largely teachers who are responsible for this distortion of history and passing it down the generation. Warwick Gardens or Holly Grove are not inconvenient spots. Interesting that a roughly contemporary map has Peckham Rye where I "suggest". Blake's local connection is trudging through raw sewage overflowing from Camberwell Marsh, but that's not so romantic, so let's invent a myth.

> Grendel's mother spotted at aquarobics in Dulwich Leisure Centre. I don't think there's evidence for this either.

I can say no evidence, it's belated hearsay, what it now described as a post-truth. As you must also know what we now call Peckham Rye is a name migration. Even English Heritage acknowledge this in the end-notes to its Peckham Survey, also available at no cost freely on-line. You can easily check old maps on-line to see where "Peckham Rye" was in Blake' time. It stretched from what is now Warwick Gardens to Rye Lane. Peckham Rye was next to Dulwich Hill (not the Sydney one). The land now called Peckham Rye is nowhere near Dulwich Hill. Peckham Rye Station was built on Peckham Rye, maybe that's why it was given its name. It was hilarious when members of the Blake Society held a celebration on Homestall Farm land, now part of Peckham Rye Park.

> So no evidence apart from the evidence of his contemporaries as told to his first biographer Read the text, then comment.

robbin Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Better still get your phone out and make a video > and send that to the School/Police? And also the school's Twitter page.

> The account occurs in the first biography written by Alexander Gilchrist This book is available as a free pdf from www.archive.org. As I said, no evidence.

> Future occupants may park on-street, as is the case for the current hotel use. This shows the detail of local knowledge possessed by the officer.

> As an after thought what has happened to the mass crowd funding for the Peckham High Line. Seems to have died a death ofter the money was raised. Has it died?

> At the age of 8 or 10 he saw his first vision of angels in a tree on Peckham Rye, There is no evidence for this whatsoever.

Does "contribute" run to answering questions?

How much are Mobycon being paid? Who let the contract?

Polite neologism?

What does "artisanal" mean?