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I'd be interested if anyone picks up any street noise about the prospective new owner or occupier of the shop(s) at 20-22 Lordship Lane. http://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/forum/read.php?30,1722407

I'm waiting to find out if the new ground floor footprint is as authorised.

DulwichBorn&Bred Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > On Facebook they said The sales floor is 5,568 sq foot. Thanks for that. So M&S is claiming 517 square metres. That's an increase of 97 square metres or an extra 23%. Let's wait and see how the District Valuer measures it.

Louisa Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- under the legal derogation. > > This seems to contradict the planning portal. > That's right the information only applies selectively within Southwark. There are other protected frontages in Southwark. This is a legal derogation as permitted under the national planning legislation. The legal document is quite interesting and it has the Seal of the Mayor Burgesses. Quite medieval. (See attached graphic). It doesn't guarantee a commercial interest won't try to circumvent the derogation. I'd be surprised if a planning officer ignored its legal status. .

Change to A3 (restaurant) usage is prohibited under the legal derogation.

LondonMix Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Don't tease me about Nandos Don't worry, it's a "protected frontage" (see attached map).

> Is it any bigger than the co-op though? The Co-Op is 777 square metres. The Iceland configuration was 420 square metres. The M&S figure will be available soon.

Jenny1 Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > > This is likely to cause a parking problem There will be no parking problem. This will have been dealt with by the Traffic Impact Statement in the planning permission documents.

That attachment didn't work for me. Here's the plain text: ============================== Address of property: 84-90, LORDSHIP LANE, LONDON, SE22 8HF Rating list: 2005 (Current) With effect from: 01 Apr 2005 A previous appeal has been made against this valuation. View appeal details Description: SHOP AND PREMISES Billing authority: SOUTHWARK Billing authority reference: 37840008490008 Special category code: 249 - Shops Basis of measurement: NIA Valuation scheme reference: 9173 Unadjusted ? m2/unit: ?310.00/m2 Valuation Ref. Floor Description Area m2/unit ? m2/unit Value 1 Ground Retail Zone A 95.90 ?310.00 ?29,729 2 Ground Retail Zone B 170.60 ?155.00 ?26,443 3 Ground Remaining Retail Zone 63.30 ?77.50 ?4,906 4 Ground Mess/Staff Room 45.20 ?38.75 ?1,752 5 Ground Cold Store 22.50 ?46.50 ?1,046 6 Ground Security Room 22.60 ?38.75 ?876 Total area: 420.10 Subtotal: ?64,752 Additional items Security Room 22.6 ?7.00 ?158 Air Conditioning System 329.8 ?7.00 ?2,309 Spaces Area m2 Value Car parking: 8 ?2,400 ?2,400 Total before adjustments: ?69,619 Adjustments made Size or quantity allowance -10.0% Layout -6.0% Total adjustments: -?10,720 Total value: ?58,899 Rateable value: ? 58,500

Here is the current pre-refurb assessment. The post-refurb assessment should be available soon. Then we can do a comparison. Note the 16% discount.

Louisa Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > almost DOUBLED in size The Valuation Officer's measurements will be on-line soon.

"these results were not statistically significant when compared against national trends." = Inconvenient? Have car gear boxes changed since 1996?

The Co-Op has a 17.5% discount on its business rates. Let's see what discount M&S negotiates.

first mate Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > EDH, TBH I've no idea. There have been so many > applications with bits authorised here and there > that I think it would be diffcult to know. We have the Valuation Office measurements for the ground floor before refurbishment.

first mate Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Looks enormous inside...as big as co-op. Is it larger than the size authorised by the planning permission?

titch juicy Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > edhistory Wrote: > -------------------------------------------------- > ----- > > It will be interesting to see how the newly > > published photographs of the interior are > > reflected in the Valuation Officers assessment. > > Hmmmm, i'm not sure it will. Here is part of the Business Rate assessment for the Iceland Occupation. Valuation scheme reference: 9173 Retail Zone A Area m2/unit 95.90 ? m2/unit ?279 No business rates are payable for the for the period of refurbishment. They become payable again no later than 31 August 2016. By comparison small food retailers on Lordship Lane are assessed at Retail Zone A Area ? m2/unit ?430

It will be interesting to see how the newly published photographs of the interior are reflected in the Valuation Officers assessment.

Thank you for the update. It seems that things are progressing well. John K

I thought the "back yard" was not part of the new lease.

Does anyone have photos of progress to share?

64-66 Lordship Lane is a Southwark Council designated "Protected Frontage".

first mate Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > yesterday > there were two men clearly discussing large > delivery vehicle manoeuvres into the site, trying > to figure out how this could be done. They did not > look happy. Does this mean that M&S has taken a lease on premises where it is not possible to take deliveries?

Thank you. That is the information I was searching for. http://apps.charitycommission.gov.uk/Showcharity/RegisterOfCharities/CharityFramework.aspx?RegisteredCharityNumber=1165247&SubsidiaryNumber=0 John K

Do you know which organisation to get in touch with?

Lordship 516 Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > The number of signatories signing up has slowed > somewhat but if it keeps up at the slower rate of > yesterday & today it could reach 100,000 by 18th > July 19 July 19,656 signatures. More signatures than the Save Southwark Woods petition.