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Willard Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > I almost laughed when I read this, but again your > poor Latin let's you down. Ultra is the Latin for > beyond or more than. What is beyond upper class? > The royal family? What is beyond white? I can't > think of anything. May I draw your attention to Lewis & Short (page 1926 in the 1891 edition)? John K

DaveR Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > It's a Victorian railway suburb Are you sure? John K

taper Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Fantastic! What paper is that from? The newspaper cutting comes from the scrapbook of William Thomas Freer. He was Labour Master at the Gordon Road Workhouse. Most of the newspaper cuttings are about the Gordon Road Workhouse. Only a handful are about the Constance Road Workhouse. Although he dated the cuttings he did not write the names of the source newspapers. From the different type-faces, column widths, and paper colours and textures they came from many sources, but probably a local newspapers. John K

No comment. John K

Earlier this year Martin Knight told me he was about to start work on the River Peck. His results for the Nunhead area should be interesting. As the Lordship Lane and Dog Kennel Lane route is one of the earliest roads in the area and the natural way for people to go to church on Sunday there has to be a reason that Melbourne Grove was not an early road. There is some suugestion that the route deviation is because the area between East Dulwich Grove and Grove Vale was too boggy. More reasearch is required. John K

Barton does not help us here. He only has the Peck in our valley, and has the Neckinger source in Ruskin Park. Unless a published source emerges these two "rivers" need names. River Chener (West) and River Chener (East) sound good to me. What is shaping up here is a possible explanation in the landscape why this part of East Dulwich west of Lordship Lane was not part of Dulwich Manor. John K

Following on from the thread about "work in progress" on the Grove Vale Depression, Oglander Gap, and Earl's Sluice, this thread looks at the natural drainage south of Grove Vale. So far I've only been able to locate one relevant map in a book, but it is unprovenaced. Here's a scan of the relevant part of the map. From the "typography" (but it's probably hand-drawn) it looks to date from the last quarter of the nineteenth century. The headwater is roughly at the junction of Beauval Road and Woodwarde Road. Can anyone provide a firm identification of the map? Has anyone seen any other map? John K

> a revelation. Except about community funding. John K

Many thanks for the references Mike. A pity the sydenham.org.uk posting does give sources. I'm intrigued about the 1719 reference. Next question: what did the queen do on 1 May 1602? John K

I think you are spitting into the wind with this no matter how much evidence you provide. I believe that in the last 20 years every child in an East Dulwich primary or secondary school has had at least one lesson about Seacole very much on the lines of the Seacole web-site you referenced. When it was my daughter's turn I explained that Seacole ran a precursor of the NAAFI for profit. I produced supporting evidence. But teacher was right. Get 'em young. John K

> But that just explains leap years? No. It's the specification. Who will be the first to recant? John K

You guys were making it up as you went along when pontificating about the calender. So, here's an extra little piece of bull. John K ? 9. Deinde, ne in posterum a XII kalendas aprilis aequinoctium recedat, statuimus bissextum quarto quoque anno (uti mos est) continuari debere, praeterquam in centesimis annis; qui, quamvis bissextiles antea semper fuerint, qualem etiam esse volumus annum MDC, post eum tamen qui deinceps consequentur centesimi non omnes bissextiles sint, sed in quadringentis quibusque annis primi quique tres centesimi sine bissexto transigantur, quartus vero quisque centesimus bissextiles sit, ita ut annus MDCC, MDCCC, MDCCCC bissextiles non sint. Anno vero MM, more consueto dies bissextus intercaletur, februario dies XXIX continente, idemque ordo intermittendi intercalandique bissextum diem in quadringentis quibusque annis perpetuo conservetur.

Do you think that enormous cavern was built into the hillside just to supply a few thousand households with water? John K

Following on from mikeb, and to help with the speculation, a clearer scan from the Stanford map of the sky-line buildings. John K

Thanks, DulwichFox, In this instance it is possible that Wikipedia, several hundred web-sites, and various local history books are all wrong. I am interested in locating a reference to the original source. John K

I would be grateful if anyone could provide me with a sensible reference. Thank you. John K

Landscape illustrations of East Dulwich of this period are rare. This one has some puzzling features, especially on the sky-line. Anyone care to speculate? John K

Interesting opinion piece. Long on assertions. Short on references. John K

The article was written by a journalist. John K

Thanks for the laugh. Did you sport who wrote the article? There's a very funny reader comment too. John K

An Italian kilometer is less than a Swiss kilometer. John K

Hugemots, I am in interested in the "community funding" element, and any other public funding, in money or in kind. John K

Camberwell New Cemetery is not "full". There is a large amount of space for further burials on/in the cemetery land temporarily being used for other purposes. John K

So, who does fund the junk-yard in the sky? Where can the accounts be inspected? John K

Not much evidence there. John K