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alwaysFN seems to have gone away. So that there is no misunderstanding here is the legal authority for the last substantive change in the ownership of Peckham Rye Common. Note that this is not what appears in local history books. There is a "back story" here which could be "interesting". Does anyone want to take this on as a small project? John K

This I find difficult to get to grips with. I need to try and break it down. a] A tax that can only be levied because an asset exists is not a tax on the asset. b] A tax that is levied on the value of an asset or the increase in value of of an asset when it is transfered is not a tax on the asset but a tax on the value of the asset or the increase in value of the asset. c] The Road Fund Licence charge is a tax on an asset. John K

> The lower half of the common is common land, always has bin, and i will save me coin ta. That's a new assetion to add to the earlier ones. Do you have any evidence for this? > Thats what your lot do to culture they sweep it away I tend to the Marxist position about whether I belong to a lot. > there's a fair coming so dont you worry mister K. I don't understand this comment. John K

katie1997: Your understanding is correct. alwaysFN's muddled comment about the pre-1966 boroughs is confusing things. In the early 19th century the Church of England was concerned that Bermondsey Parish was a de facto Roman Catholic Parish. Various C of E missionary societies set up "home missions" to bring the semi-pagan Irish Roman Catholics into the arms of the true church. Unfortunately all the "home mission" reports I've read so far are from up north. Lancashire seems to have been a particular concern. By the 1840s the Irish had drifted south to Camberwell Parish. Camberwell Vestry petitioned parliament for funds to to have the Irish deported so they would not be a burden on the poor law rate. In the 1850s the Roman Catholic Diocese set up a Peckham Mission to take care to take care of the spiritual and practical needs of local Irish Catholics. This was run by the Capuchin Fathers out of Gordon Road. The Peckham Mission's boundary included most of modern East Dulwich. As East Dulwich was built over from the 1860s the Irish arrived here. John K

1832) Do not let historical facts get in the way of telling a fairy story.

> I can't think of any tax on an asset. Inheritance tax? John K

Investigating the legal status of the land that underlies East Dulwich Public Library I discovered that the second (1906) edition of Passmore Edwards short autobiographical memoir "A Few Footprints" has an additional appendix. This part of the appendix may be of interest. John K

> Peckham Rye Common which is registered as Common Land under the Commons Registration Act 1965. Common Land is subject to ?rights of common? example rights of grazing, or of cutting bracken, in common with other people. Did you pay your ?14 to Southwark Council to inspect the register maintained under the 2006 Act? Are any residual "rights of common" registered? Or are you guessing? > Historically this festival had its roots in a travellers gathering There is a story to be told about the history of itinerant families in East Dulwich. It's better not to invent it. Did you? John K

> Peckham Rye Common, common land after all. Are you sure it is "common land"? > Historically this festival had its roots in a travellers gathering. Is there any evidence for this, or is it a fabrication? John K

John Beasley very kindly took a photograph of the old stream bed for me. Unfortunately there's too much foliage. We need a winter-time photo. But I still think the photo is worth sharing as it is an unusual/unique view of this part of East Dulwich. John K

It's quite plausible that the great floods of 1300 and 1649 (someone check these dates) reached as far as the old Thames river bank near Highshore Road. Nineteenth century floods only seem to have reached as far as the canal basin. I don't know much about Peckham history. Whichever of us who sees Peter next can ask him about his sources(s). John K

...the Peckham Sewer. As the stream crossed the East Dulwich Parish boundary it went into a branch of the Earl Sewer. John K

Sorry, Sue. John

Thanks, StraferJack. That's "plausible" not in the sense that did 514 Lordship Lane exist, but was it commercial premises with offices. Similiar to the question was 83 Melbourne Grove really a dubbin factory. John K

Jeff, Is 514 Lordship Lane a plausible address? John

Thanks again ianr. It would be good to get a clear copy of the engraving. When you're next there could you button-hole a member of staff and ask if they curate any ecclesiastical serials that might have any local information that pre-dates 1840? John K

Dovercourt Road and its houses were built on land acquired by the Dulwich College Estate. Likewise the houses in Townley Road between Beauval Road and Calton Avenue. Because the Estate owned/owns the land it does not make it part of Dulwich Village. Thinking it does muddles land ownership and location. Many years ago I bought a freehold in Matham Grove. The land was owned by a small parish church in Norfolk. I don't think that part of Matham Grove was ever in Norfolk. John K

I would be interested to know why anyone thinks that Dovercourt Road is in Dulwich Village. John K

Several early 19th century London gazetteers provide the timetables for the (horse) coach services from Dulwich Village to London. John K

I've drawn a blank on this. Has anyone seen one, and if so, where? Can anyone point me in the direction of a photograph or a line illustration? Thanks. John K Edit 2011-08-20: I'm looking for something better than Blanch.

The other Dulwichs are over in the next valley. The valley that is inhabited by the Merts. John K

Oh dear. I had hoped that the young people of East Dulwich had their sights set on higher things. John K

I am so relieved to to be told that the bye-laws in force in 1904 have been updated and that all sports are permitted on all days of the week. The bye-laws in force in 1904 explicitly permitted ice-skating on the lake until dusk on any day of the week unless the park-keeper on duty declared it was too foggy to continue. John K

Where is this Dulwich place? Can someone draw me a map? John K

flapjackdavey Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > What is the boundary of our "valley" John K? I've prepared a map for you. It's probably important in terms of ecology etc to remember that our valley is NOT part of the Thames Valley. John K